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To: epsteinbd who wrote (1758)	5/1/2002 5:16:38 PM
From: Grandk	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 2926

In your opinion, how did this universe we live in occur? As far as God being inside of you, I guess that is a truthful statement, although it includes a false premise. God is in all because He created all and He holds it all together. As far as Him being in you from the Christian perspective, I would have to say that is not the case. As far as having no need, that statement is made in ignorance of your situation. You have a need. God created the universe. He created the oxygen that fills the lungs you use to breath it. He created your entire cardio system, and so forth. Therefore, you do need Him. Man chief goal is to glorify God, and enjoy Him forever.

To: epsteinbd who wrote (1758)	5/1/2002 5:38:50 PM
From: Frederick Smart	Respond to of 2926

No need..... >>But I do not need a god to live, nor do I need a god to die, and it seems to me that when there is no need, there is no god.>> .....of the truth equates to a death sentence. And if this is what you understand, believe and find delight in then by all means you should be free to walk this walk. I don't believe in compelling others or claiming rights to the truth. For the truth is FREE!! It's universal. It's like water. It always flows and finds it's own level. And it always nourishes those who are humble, open and willing to receive and share it. The truth is simply "what works!" It's the difference between light and darkness, life and death, happiness and sadness. We are all called to be FREE to receive and share the truth of life which is the truth of our ONE Lord God in Heaven Jesus Christ in ways that shine an example of happiness, freedom, forgiveness and mercy. There's no limit to the amount of forgiveness and mercy our ONE Lord God in Heaven Jesus Christ has for each and every individual. The last shall indeed be first!! This is the way of truth. It's opposite and antithetical to mankind's distrust-control model of claims which only work to blame and shame us into believing in the lies of more and more limits, restrictions and rules which only work to enslave mankind. We are all called to be free!! And I believe you are FREE man Epsteinbd!! You have my vote as does everyone else who walks the face of this planet. For we all need each other!! We are all connected to each other through the same spiritual link to our Lord's love for us without which we'd all perish immediately. GO and FLOW!! 119293!!

To: epsteinbd who wrote (1758)	5/3/2002 12:28:48 PM
From: Grandk	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 2926

When you say : "you and I operate in God's universe", and I say "none of up operates in any god's universe because there is no god", both our propositions have the exact same value. I disagree that both of our statements have the exact same value. One of us speaks truth and the other is speaking a lie. Now we can argue as to who is doing what, but saying that both of our statements carry the same value is not true. For when truth is involved, there is not an and/or relationship but an either/or.