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To: Solon who wrote (11929)	5/3/2002 6:01:34 PM
From: TimF	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 21057

You may also disagree with my psycoanalysis, but if I have done such,you would not be privy to the knowledge...so your remark is from another room you have scurried into. You support using the term homophobia to describe certain people based on the assumption that there actions are motivated by fear. I don't think you have done any formal analysis of these people but it doesn't stop you from coming to conclusions about their character and motivations. I disagree with these conclusions or at least find them to be pure speculation without evidence solid enough to justify them. Pardon me; but the bulk of your energy seems to be going to express your "concern" for the word, not your "concern" for the "hate, discrimination or violence". If I see people spewing hate here I will probably call them on it, at least if a bunch of other people have not already jumped on them. If I see violence and am in a position to stop it I probably will try to do so, but the current subject is the word homophobia and not the violence and hatred commited by some people who are or at least are often called homophobes. We could make the violence and hatred the subject instead but I suspect that there would not be much to argue about. I doubt that too many people here support violence against people just because of their sexual orientation. In fact I would suspect that not a single one of the regulars on this thread would support such violence. If any of them actually do, I don't think they would admit it. Also a lot of my energy goes in to discussing the word, because I keep getting chalanged when I talk about it. If the subject came up and I condemned bigotry and unjustified violence and someone attacked me for it I might get in to a long conversation about that. Or I might just decide that it was a waste of time trying to deal with the attacker after a response or two. I disagree with you about a lot of things, and these arguments take up a lot of time and energy but you are not a bozo or mindless bigot so I normally will not ignore what you post esp. when it is posted to me. Are you a theorist on causes for social aggression that you have authority to qustion the validity of medical definitions?? I don't think there is any one justification for such acts or attitudes. I don't think any medical defintion really says there is, and if it does I do question its validity and don't think that I need any special authority to do so. People are complex and they have different motivations. I doubt the motivation for all people who would discriminate against homosexuals is fear. It is probably an important motivation for a number of people in this group but it would not be the only or main motivation for all of them. You want the world to take the word "fear" out of one of the angles of meaning just to satisfy some bloody quirk that you have which makes you belive that fear is NEVER an element of the aversion and discrimination? I never said it was NEVER an element that caused aversion or desire to discriminate. I only said it was not always an element. The useage of the word implies that it always or at least almost always is. "I'm not sure a specific word for people who hate homosexuals is needed", seemed to express your intent rather clearly to me--when taken in the overall context of your desire to be allowed to discriminate on the basis of sex without being described as possibly having any unconscious motives of fear as to your own sexuality.. You do understand the meaning of "not sure" right? As for my supposed desire to unjustly discriminate against homosexuals based on "unconscious motives of fear" about my "own sexuality" now you are really out in left field. And you complain about following me to other "rooms"... Does that indicate that homosexuals are a legitimate target of hatred, and that therefore you are not sure whether a word is needed to describe the hate? No. Is that why you are not sure whether such a word is needed? No. Tim