To: h0db who wrote (82235 ) 5/4/2002 9:53:53 PM From: Bilow Respond to of 93625 Hi h0db; If I have to eat crow on Monday it will come from the same thing that made Mike Magee eat crow on the Springdale a few weeks ago -- misinterpreting an Intel document. Here's what Intel says:Please note: The Module Number_Date Codes in the tables below have the following color scheme as tested on: [Blue ] Intel® 820 chipset customer reference platform [Green] Intel® 850 chipset platform (Intel® Desktop Board D850GB) [Brown] Intel® 850/Intel® 850E chipset platform [Black] Both Intel® 820 and Intel® 850 platforms intel.com I (and others) interpreted the above to mean that only [Brown] memory types are compatible with the 850E. This is reasonable because it is in keeping with the fact that [Green] (i.e. 850 alone) is distinct from [Brown] (i.e. 850 or 850E). From this, I assume that [Black] means Intel 820 or Intel 850, but not the Intel 850E. If on the other hand, [Black] also includes 850E, then there are plenty of RDRAM that will work with the 850E and my conclusions about how they did the chipset are invalid. It's also possible that Intel validated only the 850E modes that corresponded exactly (bit wise) to programming modes for the 850 because even though they did include other modes, they're still working on validating the extensions. But if so, they're way late at validating the extensions. PC2100 DDR was validated on November 19, which is more than a month before DDR shipped with Intel. (See #reply-16616216 ) Intel validated PC133 on December 16, 1999: #reply-12324090 but PC133 boards weren't using Solano available until May of the next year: #reply-13754389 Also see: Tom's Hardware, May 22, 2000 ... Later Intel finally realized that stubbornly riding the Rambus train was like a trip directly to hell. Thus suddenly you could find PC133 and DDR SDRAM on Intel roadmaps. The first product that resulted out of Intel's late insight is the highly anticipated and soon to-be-released 'i815' or 'Solano' chipset. ...www6.tomshardware.com Intel has a history of validating memory long before they actually release the chipsets that use it for production. Why should it be different with PC1066? Until Intel validates a memory type, the PC makers can't buy it for production. -- Carl