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To: TobagoJack who wrote (18645)	5/4/2002 4:39:05 PM
From: smolejv@gmx.net	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 74559

>>I must be aging, or I am cynical before my time.<< well, you score some points on both accounts, but... there's ample room for improvement, Jay. >>The solution in the Philippines is self-rule.<< a big YES. >>and perhaps Maldives<< Heck, it will take just a dozen Marlon Brandos and you wont have a place to put your ass on... Plus think of artic icefields melting - just spreadin the good news, Jay .... >>though the Le Pen guy sounds suspiciously like the same beast that emerged from Europe a few dozen years ago<< The pendulum has been swinging right lately in Europe...Flamse Block, the new guy in Netherlands, not to mention Berlusconi and Haider. OTOH Le Pen is a symptom of dissatisfaction - unemployed (38% of those that voted for Le Pen for instance), downtrodden, havenots, previously the domain of the communists, who this time self-imploded into a non-issue. The fact, that, to get rid of far worse evil, they have to vote for the lesser one, makes french electorate extra pissed-off. It looks like my bet on 80% of votes for Chirac may be close to the actual tally tomorrow - just to flex the muscles and indicate to pere Jacques, Marianne is an unpredicable woman... -. The result of elections in Germany in the autumn is at the moment open to both outcomes. Schroeder has not delivered and a lot of reforms (job market reform, tax reform,old-age security & family laws) are just getting piled up. Usually it was some brown and/or black person that focused the discontent of unemployed and dispossessed here (Schönhuber some time ago for instance) But their political voice was always as (un)important as their base. None of these creatures in sight now, so possibly (for me at least the worst) Germany may end up with nonvoters winning the election. dj

To: TobagoJack who wrote (18645)	5/4/2002 11:31:53 PM
From: Maurice Winn	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 74559

Life is getting so very globalized, complicated, and thus dangerous, where not taking a position is taking a position. A game where most will lose, none can quit, and all will die from. What fun.> Jay, of all the creatures and people who ever lived, only an insignificant fraction of them have descendants living today. 99.9999999...9% of the lineages have been extinguished by the harsh exigencies of existence. We, The Living, on the other hand, are the remarkable products of eons-long multitudes of ancestors, not a single one of whom was killed before passing their DNA onto the next in the line, despite the most challenging ordeals, hazards and near-misses. So, the odds are dramatically stacked against us continuing that astronomically lucky run, which was equivalent to winning 100 million turns of a roulette wheel without a single loss in all that time, with only one number being bet on. As you say, quitting isn't an option either. That's taking a position too and a much more fixed position than constant ducking and weaving, catching and fleeing. Fixed position in a world of flux is not the way to be represented an eon from now. It's enough fun to make a cat laugh. What seems incongruous is the casual, damaging and risky way in which we handle our corporeal existence given the hundreds of millions of years of vast struggle for survival and reproduction by the hordes of lives which were our ancestors, which led in a direct line to our selves. The unbelievably fortunate product of such an amazing journey of survival should be treated like the Crown Jewels by the owner, but we are almost indifferent. Onward, Mqurice