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To: Monica Detwiler who wrote (79378)	5/5/2002 9:32:16 AM
From: combjelly	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 275872

"x86-64 Linux isn't running anything except a few AMD bouncing ball demonstrations." You know this, how?

To: Monica Detwiler who wrote (79378)	5/5/2002 11:41:52 AM
From: hmaly	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 275872

Monica Re...Now, pgerassi, just where can I buy a production Linux for a Hammer server and just where can I get the Hammer server to run that Hammer Linux?<<<<<<<<< Monica, you need to control your urges. I realize you desperately want a Hammer running 64 bit Linux, but you will just have to have a little patience. They aren't out yet. I realize you are getting desperate because of the junk Intel is trying to sell you, but it isn't worth it getting your undies in a bunch for 6 months waiting.

To: Monica Detwiler who wrote (79378)	5/5/2002 12:01:30 PM
From: pgerassi	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 275872

Dear Monica: Just because you have to work at it does not mean it does not exist. You want it served on a silver platter. Well things do not work that way when you want to be on the cutting edge. Actually the software is available for the Hammer. All 32 bit x86 code runs. X86-64 is coded into the main path kernel, thus any loading of kernel 2.5 will be able to run on a Hammer (Opteron or AXP64) in both 32 bit and 64 bit modes. Just like SPARC, Alpha, 68K and Power4 can run in 64 bit mode. And Hammer has more useful software than Itanium and you call Itanium "in production". And note that just because it is called a development kernel (all odd releases are (2.x)) does not mean it is not capable of running 24/7 in a production environment. You may want to look up software development and learn how it really works at the cutting edge before shooting your mouth off. So Linux 2.5 and above is x86-64 Linux. A fact that you seem to conveniently seem to keep forgetting. And you can buy "a production Linux for a Hammer server". All you need to do is buy Suse 8.0 professional and get and build a 2.5 kernel for it (the last is free except for your time). And it is a heck of a lot cheaper than MS Windows serving 100 users. And Linux ran on AMD x86 CPUs from the start since they second sourced Intel per IBM decree. As to a Hammer server, don't you read the news? Its called AXP64 (last I read) and Opteron (some extension to differentiate between Clawhammer DP and Sledgehammer) server. So far it looks to be on schedule for Q4 this year (white box makers will have it first per usual). You seem to be the most foolish one of all. You are in a group that stops on railway tracks blabing on the cell phone with the radio turned up full blast never even seeing the train about to bash you and your car into a burned crushed husk. Pete