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To: scott_jiminez who wrote (3030)5/5/2002 11:27:26 AM
From: Gottfried  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 95464
 
Scott, extrapolation based on history didn't work for SEMI bookings a year ago and it may well be it won't work now, as you suggested. We won't know for a while. Still it's a useful exercise because it can show us when expectations do not come true. Valuations for some semi equip stocks are so high because investors DID extrapolate [incorrectly] in the past 12 months. What do last weeks sellers know that we don't?

Gottfried



To: scott_jiminez who wrote (3030)5/5/2002 6:41:36 PM
From: Donald Wennerstrom  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 95464
 
Scott, You present several interesting questions and observations. I will try to respond the best I can from my perspective.

<<1. The method of calculating bookings and/or billings has recently changed. Though I forget the nature of the change, my recollection is that it inflated the BtB versus
the old method. Is there any problem comparing the 'old' bookings/billings data with the 'new'?>>


I think I am correct in saying that in the "old rules" the semi-equip company could take sales upon shipment of the equipment to the customer. Under the new rules, the customer must "accept" the equipment prior to the semi-equip company taking the sales. This has the effect of "moving the 2 curves, bookings and billings, apart", but it shouldn't change the overall shape of either curve. Much of this changeover, if not all, has already taken place. Because the curves of bookings and billings have tended to "separate" because of this rule change, the BtB would tend to have wider swings on the upside as well as the downside. To take a very simple example(s), a BtB of 1.1 and 0.9 under the old rules might move to 1.15 and 0.85 under the new rules.

<<2. In the 3 'booking cycles' you cite, my perception is that most stocks in the sector began strong rallies soon after the bookings turnaround (and certainly subsequent to the billings turn). If my memory is not completely Jello, 4-6 months into the prior 3 'booking up cycles', 90%+ of the stocks in the sector were surging up...and continued to surge for ~6 or more months. You know what my next question is: so what the heck is going on now?>>

First of all, your observations on the stock movements above correspond to my own. In other words, there was good correlation with increasing stock price and increasing BtB in all 3 previous up booking cycles. One characterization I noticed is that, in general, stock prices peaked prior to a bookings peak in all 3 cycles. I looked at 2 stocks in particular. AMAT stock price peaked 6, 2 and 5 months prior to the bookings peak in 95, 97 and 00 respectively. KLIC stock price peaked 5, 2 and 5 months prior to the bookings peak in 95, 97 and 00 respectively. I believe most of the other semi-equips followed this same pattern.

I think the answer to "what the heck is going on now" is due to many factors, but I'll try to give you my perspective on a couple of these factors.

First of all, nobody likes to hear these words particularly, but I believe "it is different this time" compared to the 95 and 97 cycles. In 95 and 97, both cycles had very sharp and well defined bookings bottoms. When plotted on a graph, they look just like a "V". The ending of this last cycle is not a V, but a "U", and the market is just now coming out of it. The falloff in bookings in this past cycle was much more severe than the falloff in the first 2 cycles. Bookings were at 721M in April a year ago. In March this year, bookings came in at 839M which was up from 737M in February. In other words, it has been almost a year that bookings have been in the 700M range and below. The lowest booking was in November at 589M.

As a consequence of the low, flat bookings situation, billings came "crashing down" and hit 817M in November. The last 4 months, Dec, Jan, Feb and Mar saw billings of 810, 806, 818, and 810M respectively.

So what does this mean? From my perspective, I would say that we have not been in an "up cycle" yet. I might argue that last month, Mar, was the first month, or I could argue that it will be April as the first month of the new up cycle. If that assessment is correct, stock prices should not have been going up yet, but should commence a further rise soon.

One other thing. I think the "market was fooled" this past year because a V shaped recovery was expected, therefore stock prices did not fall as far as they did on the previous 2 cycles. Therefore, when the stocks do start to respond to the better bookings and billings numbers, the rise will not be as great as in the last 2 up cycles.

<<In contrast to the expectations raised over the past couple of months, I think the equipment sector could be dead money, if not a lot worse, for the rest of this year (this conclusion, in fact this entire mighty tome, should serve as a clarion call for the sector to begin its greatest rally in history at 9:30 AM, Monday, May 6, 2002 <gg>).>>

And finally, Scott, I am glad to see you are thinking of, or have already switched over to the dark side.<gg> That is a good sign when a "bull" like you is ready to throw in the towel!<gg> You know, this last 12 trading days, where the SOX is down 21 percent, makes me think often about the period prior to the market turn around on Friday, 9 October 1998. On 8/18/98, the SOX closed at 268.79. Just 9 trading days later, on 8/31, the SOX closed at 193.47, a loss of 28 percent. The next 18 days was an up cycle until the SOX closed at 227. 25 on 9/25. Just 9 trading days later, the SOX closed at 189.90, a loss of 16 percent. Then on Friday, 10/9, the SOX closed at 200.80, a gain of 6 percent. The SOX went on a binge lasting 42 trading days until 12/8 when it closed at 352.01, a gain of 85 percent. Just for kicks, I checked AMAT and KLIC over those 42 days. AMAT went from 5.59 to 11.36, a gain of 103 percent, and KLIC went from 5.19 to 10.56, also a gain of 103 percent.<gg> Not bad, doubling your money in 2 months - I could stand a little of that today.<gg>

Anyway, IMO the next few days, or weeks,(we might have 1 more upswing and then another steep dip) will see the end of this "craziness". Just one man's opinion FWIW.

Best Regards,

Don



To: scott_jiminez who wrote (3030)5/7/2002 5:40:43 AM
From: robert b furman  Respond to of 95464
 
Hi Scott,

I recently did a little work on a Bookings increase(at the start of a new cycle) followed by a dip in stock price(at the 5 month of increase-read that now).

My subject was Cohu stock - but many similarities can be found in other Silblings in the sector.

Message 17393699

G's charts show it very subtly - but this dip is on time and predictable.

Past dips lasted 33 and 36 days - ends in the first week of June.

Past cycles created a dip reduction of .6132 to.7544 of the recent high.

Time will tell if it repeats - looks like it is.

Bob



To: scott_jiminez who wrote (3030)5/7/2002 9:24:57 PM
From: Return to Sender  Respond to of 95464
 
Two chip equipment firms see gradual sector rebound

biz.yahoo.com

By Jennifer Tan

SINGAPORE, May 7 (Reuters) - Recovery in the battered global semiconductor equipment sector is likely to be gradual, driven by advanced technology upgrades rather than robust end-user demand, two chip equipment makers said on Tuesday.

"We believe the pace of the recovery in the chip sector will be gradual," said Alex Oscilowski, the president of U.S.-based chip equipment and materials maker Kulicke & Soffa (NasdaqNM:KLIC - news).

"We have not seen anything that would indicate that the pace would increase." "Right now, (the rebound) is driven by the need for advanced technology, and we believe that will continue until utilisations get to the point where it will be a broad-based capacity-driven recovery," he told Reuters on the sidelines of the three-day SEMICON Singapore 2002 trade show.

Sentiment in the beleaguered tech sector recently turned positive after U.S.-based Semiconductor Equipment and Materials International (SEMI) showed U.S. and Canadian chip equipment makers posted a book-to-bill ratio of 1.04 in March. This was the first time since November 2000 that the ratio has risen above unity.

A ratio of 1.04 means US$104 worth of new orders were obtained for every $100 of product shipped that month. Ratios above unity indicate business is expanding.

Analysts expect 2002 to be a year of sluggish growth for the industry with six percent growth in global sales after slumping more than 30 percent in 2001 -- the worst decline in the industry's history.

PATCHY DEMAND

But the recovery in the chip sector is patchy, and may remain so for most of 2002 at least, the firms warned.

"Demand is up, but is somewhat narrowly focused on more advanced technology equipment sets," ASM Pacific Technology Ltd (HKSE:0522.HK - news) vice president Jerry Dellheim told Reuters.

The world's second largest maker of assembly equipment for semiconductors said in April its order backlog had risen to $35 million in late March from about $20 million early this year.

"Capacity-related demand is some distance away, certainly not this year, hopefully next year -- there's a significant overhang of general capacity in the industry," Dellheim said.

This was evidenced by recent gloomy comments from Finalnd's Nokia (NOK1V.HE), the maker of one in every three mobile phones sold globally, which cut its 2002 sales growth forecast on weak demand. Top microprocessor maker Intel Corp (NasdaqNM:INTC - news) also issued cautious revenue guidance for its second quarter.

"When you hear cautious comments from the Nokias and Intels of the world, you have to take it seriously in terms of capacity-related demand growth," he added.

Chip equipment makers generally lag the semiconductor industry's performance by a few months.

Gartner Dataquest analyst Dean Freeman also struck a tentative note.

"2002 is a moderate growth year -- we are in the trough and starting to come out, but the timing and breadth of the recovery remains uncertain and subject to numerous risks," he told a conference of businessmen and analysts at SEMICON.

Kulicke shares closed at $16.35 on Monday in New York. ASM Pacific shares closed at HK$20.10 on Tuesday in Hong Kong.