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Politics : WAR on Terror. Will it engulf the Entire Middle East? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: marcos who wrote (4118)	5/9/2002 8:39:21 PM
From: Nadine Carroll	Respond to of 32591

later zionists however had slimmer pickings, and chose to 'buy' from the effendis the titles to lands from which they then evicted the indigenous ..... now to this you can say, the ottoman screwed the native, and you're right of course, but it is also true that the zionist played a crucial role in that screwing, and ended up with the benefit of the land ... so is that right, no i don't think it is By this logic, no one has a right to buy an apartment building because they might screw the tenants. The Zionists bought land from the legal property owners, who gladly took the profit. True, the landowners, who were mostly Arabs btw, not Ottomans, had screwed the peasants when they secured the title under the 19th century land 'reforms', but is that the Zionist's fault? I know in my family, when they bought land and then found out there were tenants, they paid them off as well, though they had no legal obligation to do so; so they paid three times, once to the Turks in bribes, once to the landowner, and once to the tenants. It's hard to be called a thief after paying three times over. Might will make it right, as long as you want to stay an armed camp surrounded by hostiles Just because the Arabs remain intransigent and refuse to acknowledge that the Jews have any claim to the land, that doesn't make them right either. Remember what I said about Arab politics having no room for compromise? All this talk of "thieving" or "indigenous people" has not a thing to do with Arab anger anyway, it's just the story they feed to Europeans. I mean, you don't actually believe that any Arabs but the Palestinians give two straws for the Palestinians, except at the moment they see them being beaten by Jews, do you? The other Arabs despise the Palestinians. Arabs are humiliated because they were beaten by Jews (being beaten by Britain was bad enough, but being beaten by a contemptible gang of Jews is unbearable), because the Jews' success makes them look bad (compare Israel's economy to any Arab country and they look terrible), and most of all, Allah told them that they have a divine right to rule the Jews and treat them like dhimmis, so being ruled by Jews is contrary to the will of Allah. Those are the real reasons. When the Arabs get their act together and stop feeling like a conquered people, then they will stop caring so much about Israel. interesting that judaism had a reformation in the form of christianity No, Judaism has had several reformations but Christianity wasn't one of them -- it was a new religion within one generation. Ever hear of a fellow called St. Paul? Marketing whiz; took the whole deal to the gentiles and made a new religion out of it.

To: marcos who wrote (4118)	5/9/2002 8:41:50 PM
From: lorne	Respond to of 32591

Marcos. This site may be of interest to you or maybe not. The Land of Canaan " Canaan before the arrival of the Hebrews was a thinly populated land with relatively prosperous agricultural communities. In Canaan lived Phoenicians and Amorites, both of whom have been called Canaanites. The Amorites lived primarily in the hilly regions west of the Dead Sea and east of the Jordan River. As latecomers to Canaan, the Hebrews settled in the more sparsely populated and less fertile hills east of the coastal plains, and some settled in the dry plains of Galilee. Some Hebrews lived in tight communities led by priests or military chieftains, and others lived in Canaanite towns, including an Amorite town that was to be known as Jerusalem. Some Hebrews learned agriculture from the Canaanites. Some learned to become tradesmen, and they became involved with the caravans that carried spices, ointments and resin across Canaan. Others remained with the tradition of herding and wandered with their flocks to and from desert watering places. During the dry seasons some of these herdsmen migrated to the greener pastures of Egypt's Nile Delta and then returned when pastures near home turned green again. Some Hebrews wandered into Egypt and stayed, and there they were despised for their foreign ways." " The great migrations that pushed against the Assyrians and overran Asia Minor and the Hittites around 1200 BCE also pushed on some seafaring people from the region around the Aegean Sea. These people -- described as "Sea People" by the Egyptians -- threatened Egypt during the reign of pharaoh Merneptah while he was warring with the kingdom on Egypt's western border. Egypt under Merneptah drove off these Sea People. Then around 1177 BCE, in the eighth year of the reign of Merneptah's successor, Ramses III, more raids came by the sea, and Ramses III repelled the invaders, and he boasted of re-establishing Egyptian rule through Canaan as far north as the Plain of Jezreel. But by the time of pharaoh Ramses XI, who ruled from around 1100 to 1085, the Egyptian domination of Canaan had again ended, and along the southern coast of Canaan, in such towns as Ashkelon, Ashdod, Gath and Gaza, were the sea peoples who had been driven from Egypt. They were to become known as Philistines, from which the word Palestine is derived. " fsmitha.com