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To: tekboy who wrote (29158)	5/10/2002 10:25:56 AM
From: Ilaine	Respond to of 281500

Although few in the West may remember it today,it is difficult to overstate the degree to which the aestheticization of death,the glorification of armed force,the worship of martyrdom,and faith in “the propaganda of the deed ” shaped the antiliberal ethos of both the far right and elements of the far left earlier in the twentieth century. Excellent article. Yes, they've got it. Throw in extreme nationalism and that's the echt definition of fascism. Hard to define because there's no overarching text to refer to, but they get it. A movement of young men who take themselves very seriously, don't have wives or children, haven't committed themselves to a professional career, and feel that they can glorify themselves, or at least justify their existence, through violence. They raise another important point -- not only is Islamist violence directed against the West, it is primarily directed against other Muslims. It probably would take an Iranian, or maybe an Afghani, or maybe a Palestinian, to point this out. The Islamist argument that human rights are an "Imperialist myth" helps me come to terms with a question which has been troubling me: why does this type of reaction arise when the franchise is being extended? Communist theory was (is? are there still Communist theorists?) that fascism was a reaction of the right. In the United States, both left and right believe in human rights. Totalitarian rejection of human rights is neither left nor right. Make it a circle and put it opposite classical liberalism/libertarianism. At any rate, it is interesting to see over and over again in history that as human rights are being extended to wider groups inside a country, this type of extreme reaction emerges. Maybe we should learn to expect this and figure out how to defuse it in advance. Or maybe we should encourage men to get married at a younger age. Remembering the story about how the Palestinians(?) got terrorists to get married and settle down.

To: tekboy who wrote (29158)	5/10/2002 11:39:17 AM
From: stockman_scott	Respond to of 281500

A cartoon for the day... jewishworldreview.com

To: tekboy who wrote (29158)	5/10/2002 11:47:18 AM
From: Nadine Carroll	Respond to of 281500

Interesting poll...wonder what the answers would be now. Almost three quarters (73%) would support reconciliation between the two peoples after reaching a peace agreement leading to the establishment of a Palestinian state recognized by Israel ... But only 6% would support adopting school curriculum that recognizes Israel and teaches children not to demand return of all Palestine to Palestinians Palestinians must have an interesting definition of the term "reconciliation" -- does it mean, okay, we won't try to kill you all but your country is still illegitimate?