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To: Clappy who wrote (51240)5/10/2002 10:22:33 AM
From: Jim Willie CB  Read Replies (4) | Respond to of 65232
 
Klappy, you continue to dismiss the effects of JPM lost control
the Gold Cartel has lost control of the GOLD price
the Mining Hedgers are scrambling for their lives
I dont expect Barrick will even exist in two years
imagine the lost supply temporarily when Barrick dies off
their arrogance matches JPMorgan's

demand is rising while supply is shrinking
both in physical and futures contracts

you dismiss the effects of lost control
an eruption is in the works
the market smells it, and you dont see it
it is not about valuations, overbought, stocks far ahead of spot price
it is about the end of the Gold Cartel

remember mining experts claim the equilibrium GOLD price at 600/oz to match up supply and demand
we are 50% below that !!!
the difference has been made up by this suppression game
leased gold has depleted 65% of England's national treasure
and probably close to 50% of American treasure
and probably less of Germany's treasure
with public attention now centered on this travesty, central bank sales and auctions will not be happening

a few years from now we will be reading about how the world's major central banks all sold over half their thousands of tons of gold at the lows

the effect on establishment of stable currency backed by GOLD is extremely extremely big
Central Banks will be buyers of GOLD before 2010 in a big way
in the 1960's and early 1970's the US$ was pegged at $32/oz
if they had the luxury of pegging now, it would be $300/oz
my guess is that by 2010, the US$ will be pegged at $2000-3000/oz

the biggest development in the GOLD world now is that Barrick is fighting for their very survival, attempting to ABDUCT an unhedged miner to satisfy their forward contracts spaced out over 3-4 years into the future
wow, that is significant

the next response I expect is to see much greater separation between mining stocks, hedged going down, unhedged going up
this will make abduction marriages forced by Hedgers next to impossible
then comes the death of Barrick and a few other Hedgers

the combined attention of the JPMorgan fiasco in banking, and the death of Hedged Miners will cause an avalanche of money to descend into GOLD
/ jim



To: Clappy who wrote (51240)5/10/2002 10:55:19 AM
From: Wharf Rat  Respond to of 65232
 
"We might only be in the early stages of hype". Very early. Very, very early. Aside from showing gold prices every half hour, how much mention on the money channels? How much mention on Page one? For that matter, how much mention in the business section? I haven't seen it mentioned in the money mags I go find around the hospital. The hype has barely begun.

$1K Au is more like Nasdaq 5K. It already went to $850 in about '80. If you adjust for inflation, your name is Silverback and you are good at math, so I will just say QED. You are right, unless civilization is truly collapsing. The trick is to bail out at the top, or at least close to it. When CNBC has a Gold2K special, it will be time.

TK



To: Clappy who wrote (51240)5/10/2002 11:05:49 AM
From: stockman_scott  Respond to of 65232
 
<<The more gold miners gets hyped like tech companies the
less faith, I begin to have in them. But then we might
only be in the early stages of hype. Ameritrade has not
begun running commercials featuring the sale of prospector
equipment yet...>>

LOL..!! So true...there are always new things being 'hyped' by the experts. Buyer beware.

-Scottt



To: Clappy who wrote (51240)5/10/2002 11:23:54 AM
From: stockman_scott  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 65232
 
Gold rush could signal trouble

05/10/2002 - Updated 01:07 AM ET
By Matt Krantz, USA TODAY

Investors fed up with the gloomy stock market may be missing a bull market that's glittering right in front of their faces: gold.

Even while blue chips and tech stocks are in the dumps, the price of gold is on a tear. Stocks of companies that mine gold, which are closely tied to the price of gold, even hit two-year highs this week.

But unless you're invested in gold, this rally may actually be a reason for concern. It could be a clue the stock market is in more trouble than many realize, say analysts who study the metal.

"The gold market senses a continuation of the bear market in stocks and rising inflation," says John Hathaway, portfolio manager at Tocqueville Asset Management. "Nothing else is working."

When investors start buying gold, they're bracing for trouble. They're essentially turning away from the stock market and saying they'd rather protect the assets they have than risk losing more.

Unfortunately for non-gold investors, everything that's propelling gold is likely to be bad for non-gold stocks, says Mark Johnson, manager of the USAA Precious Metals and Minerals fund. Rising oil prices, fears of inflation and concerns about Middle East unrest all go into a stew of things that boost gold, he says.

Most important, the weakening U.S. dollar is causing nervous investors to buy gold for safety.

Whatever the reason, the gold rally is getting harder to ignore. Gold stocks have risen 44% this year and 88% from the bottom on Nov. 17, 2000, as measured by the Philadelphia Stock Exchange Gold and Silver index. Compare that with the Standard & Poor's 500, which is down 7% this year and down 22% since Nov. 17, 2000.

If the dollar continues to struggle, gold could run more, Johnson says. Also, if the Federal Reserve overstimulates the economy by keeping interest rates too low, too long, "gold will like that," says Bill Martin, manager of the American Century Global Gold fund.

Gold experts say that the revival of bullion has deeper meanings for all investors because it shows:

Anxiety about the U.S. economy and stock market is rising. Investors buying gold are betting problems such as rising oil prices and terrorism are being underestimated, Johnson says.

Others say gold is climbing as investors get more skeptical that the economy will recover this year as has been expected. James Dines, a longtime gold bull and editor of The Dines Letter, even calls reports of an economic recovery in the first quarter "a complete fraud."

Gold's performance is a warning that the market is not safe yet, says Bernie Schaeffer of Schaeffer's Investment Research. "A prudent investor would look for ways to survive if the world remains an unfriendly place," he says.

Questions remain about how weak the dollar will become. Typically, gold does best when investors are worried about the dollar losing value. This occurs when the Federal Reserve tries too hard to jump-start the economy by keeping interest rates low or by boosting the money supply.

So far, there are few signs of inflation. But gold bugs think that could quickly change, and they'd rather lock their money into a hard asset like gold, Hathaway says.

Investors are fed up with losing money by trying to make money. That's why being defensive is paying off, Dines says. "People who were overinvested in the market are seeing their portfolios melt away," he says.

Both Dines and Schaeffer say gold could continue to rally until investors completely give up on big-cap and tech stocks that were the craze during the '90s boom.

So should you buy gold? Not necessarily. For one thing, if the dollar stabilizes, the gold rally could peter out, Johnson says. Also, if gold continues to soar, companies can tap new mines and flood gold onto the market, which could bring prices back down.

Some of the factors that propelled gold, such as a rush of Japanese investors to buy the metal because their government is reducing insurance on savings accounts, could be short-lived.

But gold has suckered investors before. Gold and gold stocks cratered during 2000, for instance, because of foreign banks rejiggering their reserves.

Gold fans, though, say this time is different. "People have never seen a bear market," Dines says. "It's a bull market for gold."

usatoday.com