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To: Lane3 who wrote (12590)	5/10/2002 10:28:48 AM
From: Solon	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 21057

"That POV was expressed on a web site that you proffered" The POV that homosexuals ought not to marry was given on a web site that I proffered. I have copied it below. It indicates the belief of some fundamentalist churches that they should not marry. This is not the same as saying that an opinion that gays should not marry may be equated necessarily with homophobia. It was simply a comparison of attitudes between conservatives and liberals and certain elements of each. On the other hand, if it is motivated by hatred and the desire to make human rights a two tier or many tiered priviledge, then it would fit the definition. I am not interested in defending definitions which do not exist. Stating, for instance, that Karen is not a thief and a murderer does NOT mean she was ever accused or suspected of being such. Tim saying that he is not a homophobe solely on the basis of being (for instance) a Southern Baptist as in the example below, does NOT mean he has been accused (on that basis) of homophobia. If you do come across a definition of homophobia which is substantially different than: "irrational fear of, aversion to, or discrimination against homosexuality or homosexuals", then please let me know, as it is impossible to discuss a topic meaningfully if two disparate definitions are being used. But as I said...I have never seen a definition or usage which is substantially different than the one above. religioustolerance.org "Religiously liberal groups, like the United Church of Christ, United Church of Canada and Unitarian Universalist Association have resolved the "homosexual issue." The denominations work towards equal rights for gays and lesbians; they welcome homosexuals as members; they ordain them as clergy. Mainline denominations, like the Presbyterians and Methodists are experiencing major internal conflict over the issue. Disagreements are deep and appear irresolvable, at least in the short term. There is a great deal of impassioned debate and little dialog. Fault lines within the denominations may appear on many levels: Young people may take a more liberal view; older members are often more conservative. There are often geographical divisions, with north eastern groups being liberal and southern groups being conservative. An urban/rural split is also common. A major split is often between those who view homosexuals as a group, and those who personally know a gay or lesbian as a close friend. Religiously conservative groups, like the Southern Baptists, the Assemblies of God, and other Fundamentalist and Evangelical Christian denominations, have also resolved the issue. They work towards maintaining special rights for heterosexuals, defeating hate-crimes legislation that would protect gays and lesbians, and promoting legislation to prevent homosexual marriages or civil unions. Many denominations consider homosexuality to be a special type of sin. Some teach, on the basis of 1 Corinthians 6:9, that gays are prohibited from inheriting the Kingdom of God (heaven). They refuse membership and ordination to sexually active gays and lesbians. They have no expectation of changing their policy in the future. In theory, "there should be at least one place where people who experience same gender attraction can expect justice & respect and that’s in a conservative Christian church." 1 They teach that all people are sinners. Thus, gays and lesbians should be accepted with open arms as fellow sinners. However, in practice, it does not necessarily happen."