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Politics : Piffer Thread on Political Rantings and Ravings -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?


To: arno who wrote (7974)5/11/2002 12:28:50 AM
From: Peach  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 14610
 
Death.

I'm sorry about your family's suffering, Arno.



To: arno who wrote (7974)5/11/2002 12:42:52 AM
From: MulhollandDrive  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 14610
 
Hi arno...

how was your family involved in this terrible situation?

(passing through....will be in Snow Canyon on Sunday)



To: arno who wrote (7974)5/11/2002 2:03:59 AM
From: Augustus Gloop  Respond to of 14610
 
The fact that he is 18, while on the surface seems quite young for a life sentence without parole, is not the issue. This Mullins guy is a both a murderer and a rapist. Unlike most murders, Rape (to me) is a crime without motive or benefit to the criminal. It's not a desire for sex but rather desire for control over a woman. I believe the mindset of a rapist is so insidious and evil that, in cases where the evidence is rock solid (such as dna), society has the moral obligation to, AT VERY LEAST, throw away the key. The risks of turning a proven rapist loose are just plain unacceptable in my mind. So while the murder is enough for life in prison it's the rape IMO that clinches the no parole. I would normally be talking death penalty in a situation like this. However, if this guy is TRULY retarded I don't think that's an option - which means life without parole. At that point the issue becomes where to place him. Again, if the guy was TRULY retarded I think an institution is probably the place to send him. This leaves the final issue - THE BILL! As distasteful as it is, incarceration is a cost society must pay to protect itself against criminals when its unwilling to use the death penalty. While sticking the family with the bill sounds great in theory I think it would be tough to impose. No matter how bad the environment was the definition of a "dysfunctional family" is subjective and thus I'm not sure we could create a fair standard by which to judge.

So in this case I think you have an 18 tear old retarded boy who has just become property of the state and should be placed in an institution.**

**Keep in mind that the article was quite short
- does not give many details with regard to the guys history (both criminal and mental)
- does not give people on this board all the evidence
And - Does not allow for visual observation of behavior during the court proceedings



To: arno who wrote (7974)5/11/2002 2:38:37 AM
From: SmoothSail  Respond to of 14610
 
Hi arno

Sorry to hear about what's happened. Something like that has a terrible impact for years.

I've always believed that being locked up in a cell is a better punishment than death. Once the person is dead, their troubles are over. I just don't believe someone in jail ever has a good day. It's a nasty environment where you are subjected to the worst sort of indignities all day long issued by both the guards and other inmates. Also, someone who acts up like this kid finds himself spending a lot of time alone with all privileges taken away.

He will have plenty of time to think about how rotten his life is. Inmates who commit the type of crime he did - rape and murder of a child or an elderly person are always targets of other inmates. They think of something like that happening to their kids or their mother and issue their own brand of punishment. He will spend most of his life in fear of the next attack.