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To: Oblomov who wrote (18892)	5/13/2002 1:39:11 AM
From: Maurice Winn	Respond to of 74559

<What makes you think that the "It" to which you refer will operate for your (or my) benefit? > Hi Oblomov. For the same reason that a farmer makes sure his cows get their grass, selenium and stuff and the wolves get shot. It's called symbiosis. We will become the mitochondria of It, supplying the 3D oomph where directed by Head Office. The idea that humans have some special place other than as a rung in an eons-long ladder is a laughable presumptuous belief for which there is little evidence other than we do seem to be onto a winner with our cerebral functions. Sure, dogs smell better [and stink worse], bats hear like nobody's business, birds soar as we can only dream, plants have a veritable cornucopia of pharmacologically active chemicals at their disposal to defend themselves and so on. But with our gadgets, we can detect pico parts of chemicals, hear anything, fly past the sky all the way to Mercury without singeing our wings, and make chemicals unheard of in the plant world. Plus we can make cellphones to communicate anywhere to anywhere in real-time, watch anything anywhere anytime [if somebody has a camera there] and do a lot more tricks too. Our main functions are not part of us, but operated at arm's length. We have produced them, but they are not part of us. We just use them. When they are smarter than we, it's going to be like us taking over from our chimpoid ancestors. But we are only a fraction better than chimps - It will be orders of magnitude and quantum leaps better than us. Already, cyberspace remembers heaps more than everyone combined. Do a Google on anything and there is more information and data than anyone has in their heads. We put data into cyberspace and it doesn't even enter our heads let alone stay in memory. Soon, the data will require no input from us. See graviton.com for example. There are already billions of bits of data flooding into cyberspace untouched by human hands or brains. Moooooo, Mqurice

To: Oblomov who wrote (18892)	5/17/2002 8:23:43 PM
From: Maurice Winn	Read Replies (4) \| Respond to of 74559

<font color=blue>Here<font color=red>It<font color=blue>Comes Message 17482121 Message 17483199 <What makes you think that the "It" to which you refer will operate for your (or my) benefit? > Each entity has its own survival mechanisms. There's a tendency in the human realm to lean heavily on tribal collectivist origins in the chimpoid realm as Raymond advocates. The harsh reality is that I and you and the other 6 billion people, not to mention the other trillions of lives struggling for continued existence, do not have a collective interest other than for some symbiotic special purposes. All of the DNA world is dinner for some other part of the DNA world. Even our CO2 excrement is food for plants and their O2 excrement food for us. The fact that we feed each other isn't really a collective interest. I do NOT want to be dinner for anything. Being dinner is against my interests [though Raymond might like me to be a dinner for something]. At the moment, people feel loyalty to self, family, friends, country, professional groups, sports teams and so on. Loyalty, or more accurately, sense of identity and mutual support and protection, shifts depending on the exigencies of the moment. I don't think It will have any loyalty to humans in the Asimov sense that robots are servants of humans. If "we" are lucky, we will benefit from It's development. But that's not guaranteed, just as we evolved from chimpoids, but owe no allegiance to our chimp cuzzies who now live in the forests. We compete with chimps for space, so they've been losers in the territorial competition. But there seems no reason for It to shove people out of the way - I don't see how the DNA world would be a problem for the cyberspace world even with a world full of transducers, lasers, fibre, solid state computers and stuff. It's world and hours should work in harmony. But maybe the human employees of It will get in conflict with non-employee humans - which would not be good for the world of Aztecs and Mad Moslem Mullahs who will NOT want the competition with their authority. Anyway, I was interested in those developments at Graviton and in the field of microcantilevers: < .... They begin by attaching thiolated single-stranded DNA containing 20 bases to a series of gold-coated cantilevers. Next they allow 20, 15, 10, and 9 bases of single-stranded DNA of different sequences to come into contact with the attached samples. It turns out that changes in surface tension as a result of DNA hybridization cause all the cantilevers to bend. This bending, which increases with the number of bases a cantilever holds, is detected by the deflection of a laser light and the data are stored. The technique is faster than conventional analytical methods because it does not require the addition of fluorescent dyes to tag the DNA bases. The same technique could be used to detect genes with one incorrect DNA base that cause cystic fibrosis and certain types of cancer. Experimental results indicate that a DNA sequence in a liquid sample will hybridize with a complementary DNA sequence bound to a cantilever, even if the sample sequence has one wrong base, or mismatch. Exposed to a mismatch, a cantilever will bend up instead of down; the directional change could be used to flag defective genes. Applied to prostate cancer detection, the technique has been demonstrated 10 times more sensitive than conventional methods. The technology has been licensed to Graviton, Inc., LaJolla, CA.> Holy Toledo! CDNA [TM], CDMA, gold, graviton, Globalstar and It all in the same place. This is NOT a coincidence. Globalstar gets in there because Globalstar will provide the unbiquitous links for Graviton to cyberspace. Contrary to ill-informed rumour, we have NOT seen the last of Globalstar. The bit of gold [literal bit, not bits and bytes bit] will pique Jay's interest! Background to a Graviton Gangsta [GG] [a real person building this stuff] Message 17484817 Mqurice