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To: Joe NYC who wrote (147137)	5/14/2002 12:30:33 PM
From: TimF	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1584437

"ISRAELI ARABS FOR SHARON: About 10 percent of Israel's Arab population have voted for right of (Israel's) center parties for some time. But for this block Netanyahu would have lost to Peres three election cycles ago. They vote right for a variety of reasons. It may be that some of them are libertarian/conservatives who prefer democratic life to now-widespread Arab tyranny. Foisting such Western ideals onto foreign voters is a bit odd. There are far more practical local reasons for their voting. First, not all Arabs are alike. Israel's Arabs include bedouins, who are very different from the urban Arabs who identify as Palestinians. Generalization by stereotype is unfortunate, but not always inaccurate. The bedouins are mistreated by other Arabs throughout the Arab world, e.g., Algeria. As a result, bedouins backed Israel in 1948 and have until recently gladly served in its armed forces. The same can be said for another "Arab" group -- the indigenous Druze of the Golan. These people are also mistreated by other Arab groups in Syria and in other Arab countries. They too until recently have gladly served in Israel's armed forces. People who have served in Israel's army do not want to be branded traitors by finding that they now live in the new Palestinian state. We know what happens to alleged collaborators. Second, many Arabs are Christian (or secular) and fear being reduced to minority status in any Palestinian entity by their Islamic Arab brothers. In public, they back the Arab cause, in the privacy of the voting booth some vote Likud and for parties even further to the right. Third, vote buying through the political process (e.g., political pork) and illegal vote buying occurs in Israel. It is not a perfect society. How could it be?" andrewsullivan.com

To: Joe NYC who wrote (147137)	5/14/2002 2:31:03 PM
From: tejek	Respond to of 1584437

Palestinians started out with nothing, ended up with West Bank and Gaza. How exactly was Arafat giving away the store? Joe, from the beginning when the Brits were in charge, the Palestinians were offered the WB. I am not sure about Gaza but the WB is hardly new. Killing all terrorists? Yes. The danger would go way down. What do you suggest? Not killing the terrorists? What do you think would be the result? Why do you think causes there to be terrorists? How do you think they come about deciding to be terrorists? So long as things stay the way they are, with every terrorist we kill two more will pop up to take their place. Then we just keep going until the supply runs out. Kind of like the Brits have done with the Catholics in N. Eire for the last 30-50 years, right? I suppose eventually you will get them all. One example is the way the Brits exercised their mandate in Israel/Palestine. They were not fair......they treated the Palestinians like they were chattel. And when the Palestinian Arabs disagreed with Britain's handling of their affairs, they were put down and ignored. What rights do Arabs have under Arab governments, or Palestinian Authority? None. Palestinian Authority is probably one of the worst of all of the Arab governments. Which Arab countries are setting the standard for you.......Iraq and Syria, or Jordan and Egypt? If its the latter, Egypt is a full democracy and Jordan a partial one. So I would hope that we would help the Palestinians set up a democratic gov't more like Egypt's than Jordan. But I don't understand why bad gov'ts in Iraq and Syria justifies screwing of the Palestinians by Britain. Can you explain that one to me? ted