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Politics : Sharks in the Septic Tank -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Neocon who wrote (47268)	5/14/2002 1:54:04 PM
From: jlallen	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

I give up. I can not say more without compromising confidences...

To: Neocon who wrote (47268)	5/14/2002 5:10:21 PM
From: one_less	Read Replies (5) \| Respond to of 82486

Neocon. You know that I would be the first to agree here as I have been the guy who acted out of frustration toward Poet and her reaction to various things on these threads. Not proud of it and it has a lot to do with major changes I have made in my posting demeanor. My first reaction a year ago when this came up was oh boy here we go again. I don't think I am alone in having considered this possibility either based on the initial postings when this flaired up. <hardly anyone has considered the possibility that Poet over- reacted and that Chris has unfairly had the whole burden for the situation dumped on him. That makes the most sense to me, from what I have observed of them, to split the blame. That can make a guy act out of frustration and resentment. Again, it looks like he will be excluded from the main action on this part of SI, among people he knows, or ignored by a number of them, if he is let on the thread Chris has acted out of frustration and resentment toward people who offered out of friendship to mediate and help to repair the situation here. He has quickly dismissed long term buddies and angrily attacked them in the process. He has not shown resentment toward Poet he has continually proclaimed his undying devotion to getting back the relationship he lost with her. He continues even to this day to push for that. The question in my mind is not whether Poet ever over reacts, myself or others do dumb stuff out of frustration, or whether the TOU is a good or bad system. "That can make a guy feel that he is getting screwed.. Most of the people here are not engaged in a screw job just out of some sort of pack mentality. Surely you have seen the efforts to encourage a positive outcome. The current issues have nothing to do with how Poet may have reacted or not. They have to do with personal violation and destructiveness. Be Chris's friend. Be careful not to get sucked into an enabling role. "and want to find a more comprehensive solution than putting his tail between his legs and heeling......... Many of us are with you on that. Based on the communications I have had with Chris, I don't see any way to reach a resolution that doesn't involve legal authority. sorry to say.

To: Neocon who wrote (47268)	5/14/2002 5:21:50 PM
From: E	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

What does "comprehensive" mean? Why is a strict toorabout "heeling"? He is the one who accused her of dissing our "young men in uniform" when she did no such thing. He is the one who has menaced her with threats to post private material and who has, in fact, made public allusions to private matters. He is the one who threatened to sue SI for the right to keep posting to her against her will. He is the one who followed her to her IHub thread so that Matt was deleting his posts himself as soon as he saw them. He simply refused to stop harassing her. If those things wouldn't bother a person (if they were done to their own wife or daughter), they think she's overreacted. In my case, they would profoundly bother me, so I understand completely her pleas to be left alone, strictly alone. Alone. As Poet so eloquently and frequently put it, "Leave me alone... Leave me alone... Leave me alone." I'm through with trying to help him. I had a great idea I thought Poet would go for if she felt safe: he does what my toorabout partner and I have done uneventfully: not post to or about, directly or indirectly, staying strictly out of each other's space and conversations. And include IHub. In a fast moving stream filled with boats, that plan would have given CH plenty of room to row and plenty of boaters to greet. With time, maybe things would have become less cathected. I've gained a respect over time for my former 'enemy' that I didn't have before, simply because he has been a gentleman about our toorabout. But I trust CH so little since May 3 that I wouldn't think of proposing it to Poet now. It's gone beyond that.