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Politics : Should God be replaced? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Grandk who wrote (12338)	5/15/2002 11:00:01 PM
From: 2MAR$	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 28931

As far as creating a soul that God knows will be condemned we come to the dilemma of predestination. God does know who is predestined to enter the kingdom. that is a very ugly thought ...maybe you need to take a longer "eternal" view of things. However, it is also a fact that God desires everyone to be saved that barely makes up for the previous idea, and the following God creates circumstances in everyone's life where salvation is extended and the person is left with the choice. you make it sound as if there were only one choice ? Putting the blame on God for man's choices seems to be the popular way to go. Man always places the blame on others instead of taking it on himself. It is human nature. You really see this ? People "blaming" God ? That's very interesting idea . I sort of thought I witnessed a fundamentalist movement recently that is thanking God for the freedom to do all sorts of inspeakable acts of violence and the promotion of hatred between peoples, in the name of heaven and righteousness? I know you see love all around you , but I do not share your view that there are barbarians at the foot of God's gate calling for his resignation and blaming him at all, I see quite the contrary . I see them calling out his name evreywhere about , and praying for his guidance in their holy wars, but surely do not see them blaming him . God's love somehow does seem to become rather lost & bizaar when not endowed with reason and compassion , self awareness and consciousness of reality, from out of every corner of humanity and the human mind , whatever the source of, be they atheist , agnostic , or good Buddhists and Hindus or Eskimos. Of what man in the 20th Century did you see , that embodied the most , the gospel of Love and peace and self scrifice , that lived most with and attributes of Christ and Pacifism ? (Hint: He was not hiding out in the Vatican, i assure you) ;-)

To: Grandk who wrote (12338)	5/15/2002 11:37:49 PM
From: 2MAR$	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 28931

Very interesting dillemna you have on your hands as I read you JK .... on the one hand you are defending your faith as being unique and superior to outsiders , intimating that they have only one choice ...and that answer must be found in your Christ and scriptures . And yet when we go a little farther into the center of the mystic circle , it is not about choice and freewill , but letting go and letting the Christ take over . Not by any works of your own , but only thru me shall you come to the father ...only when you lose yourself shall you find yourself etc sounds like very "New Age" transformational cosmic therapy to me <G> Of course we know that is exactly what Buddha was teaching so long before . Take care of the human moments in your life , be compassionate and loving above all else and let God take care of eternity . Sinse Jesus (and Mohammed ) were not much the men of the science or the arts , and being a humble philosopher/prophet/magician/sophist was every boy and mans dream ....for in their time being one of those was also as common as minstrel bards were in the Middle Ages . Prophets were everywhere abounding , just everywhere. For they had little else to be or do with their time , and very little access to much education , except their own imaginations and previous prophesies by men very similarly the same .They certainly could not be called scientists. It is not surprising to me that the easiest thing to do would be to create an invisible God above , having not that much education other than the already existing myths/stories and legends . In fact inside the Old Great Temple in Jerusalem , that is all you would find there , was a massive curtain that hung behind which the invisible God dwelled . Before this curtain was where all the goats and sheep were sacrificed for God's blessings , for a price.<G> What has changed for all this really ? Nothing except that it has been shown clearly that no-one individual was original or had all the answers , and that one should not ever be willing to cling to any possession in life that he should then lose his love of the great experience called Life . The Jois de Vivre and Elan Vitale which every child is born with , till the original sin is imprinted upon his mind . It may be you have found "a" answer ...but not the only answer . But you are here to tell us all it isn't so ?

To: Grandk who wrote (12338)	5/16/2002 10:19:39 PM
From: 2MAR$	Respond to of 28931

Things have changed ... 1988 : Pope John Paul II calls for scholars, theologians & historians to reexamine the Galileo affair... 1992 : Pope John Paul II publicly endorses Galileo's philosophy , noting how "Intelligibility" attested to by the marvelous discoveries of science and technology lead us , in the last analysis, to that transcendent primordial thought imprinted on all things . ( welcome to Hinduism 101 ) 1995 : Galileo reaches Jupiter ... ;-)