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To: Sully- who wrote (51510)5/15/2002 5:58:20 PM
From: Dealer  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 65232
 
Dave Gore
Date: May 9, 2002 9:50 PM
MANIPULATION ---- Speak Your Mind ----- Help Stop The Criminal Activity.

Many of us have complained about Market Makers and Specialists for years. But what about Hedge Funds or slanted media coverage? What about the rumor of paid "bashers" and "hype artists" on message boards like Yahoo and RagingBull, where one can create unlimited free aliases?

What are your thoughts about May 8th? Does it seem odd that the Market drifted down for weeks on relatively good economic news (i.e. B2B ratio over 1.00 again, Consumer Confidence at 108+, ISM well above 50 indicating growth, no Fed. Rate increase, strong GDP, etc.). Then, suddenly some tech stocks went up 20-30% in one day on only modestly encouraging news from CSCO and QLGC?

Did you see how the options call volume on the QQQ's, CSCO, QLGC and others increased dramatically on May 8th, with some making gains of 1200% overnight?

What proof or strong circumstantial evidence do you have about manipulation? Or do you believe that manipulation is minimal or just a part of the system to be dealt with?

Do you think the small guy is getting fed up and will leave the Market for good unless the fairness improves?

Most importantly, what can we do about it? Is there anyone who might have the desire and power to help improve things?

***

POST YOUR THOUGHTS HERE, THEN E-MAIL THEM
---- it will make a difference! We were outraged by Enron and Analysts, and the media covered it.

E-MAIL THESE ORGANIZATIONS AND PEOPLE
1) Your State Senators
senate.gov

2) Mr. Levin's website, head of the Senate Subcommittee dealing with these things:
levin.senate.gov

3) SEC website: sec.gov
4) NASD website: nasd.gov
5) Wall Street Journal: wsj.com
6) CNBC website: cnbc.com
7) Dept. of Justice: doj.gov

Anybody else you can think of...your local newspaper, etc.



To: Sully- who wrote (51510)5/16/2002 2:33:46 AM
From: stockman_scott  Respond to of 65232
 
Confessions Of A Former Auditor

Richard Lehmann, Forbes/Lehmann Income Securities Investor, 05.15.02, 2:00 PM ET

The current wave of accounting concerns is welcome because it instills caution in an investment market that too recently succeeded by shooting from the hip. Aside from this, it is a necessary comeuppance for those thirty-something MBAs running their investment portfolios as if numbers tell the whole truth. Accounting is not an exact science, nor are corporate managers meticulous in telling on themselves. I was an auditor for PricewaterhouseCoopers for many years, and I can attest that manipulation of the books goes on in most corporations--usually for the good of shareholders. This is due in no small part to the market's knee-jerk reaction to short-term disappointments. I ask you, what shareholder really benefits from class-action suits automatically filed by predatory tort lawyers just days after any unexpected earnings shortfall? Since auditors don't certify quarterly results, management has leeway to lag in reporting bad news while preparing shareholders.

Aside from the numbers, there are any number of corporate events, which all investors--equity and fixed-income--should look out for.

CEO Retirement--When the top dog is scheduled to retire, it will generally be a bumper quarter or year. He wants to go out with a bang, as well as a big bonus and high exercise price on his remaining options. Needless to say, the follow-on year should be a downer. For example, just look at General Electric (nyse: GE - news - people ).

CEO Overhaul--If the new chief executive is an outside hire or replaces one who left under a cloud, look out! The first priority of such an executive, if he's smart, is to write off anything not nailed down. In this case, the follow-on year should look quite good.

Restructuring Rumblings--If management begins talking about reorganizing or restructuring the business, expect bad news. Such talk is a euphemism for big-time screwups that need to be buried in a larger event. The news here is negative, but oddly enough the market often reacts positively, perhaps because it's pretty good at knowing that, when guys can't shoot straight, the bad news is factored in. Also, often the writeoffs have unburdened future years' earnings.

New Bean Counters--When the company auditors resign voluntarily, run for the phone. This is almost always bad. We are likely to see it happening a lot more, post Enron (otc: ENRNQ - news - people ). Similarly, when the company decides to change auditors suddenly, look out. This can mean they wouldn't go along with some questionable transactions or practices. In today's market there will be little tolerance for this.

CFO Leaves--The top financial guy should have the inside scoop on the company's books. If he quits or--even worse--is fired, there is usually big trouble brewing.

PR Double-Talk--If the pace of company press releases slow and/or begin using terms like "unforeseen," "may result in" or "could portend," watch out. Also, any "special" announcements are worrisome. Assume the worst when you see wording such as, "We have retained the services of _____ to (investigate, explore, pursue, study) the (possibilities, alternatives, remedies) for _____ ."

Informal Inquiries--Of course if the company reports that it has received notice of an informal inquiry from the Securities and Exchange Commission, Justice Department or any other regulatory body, head for the exit--fast.
And don't think that by merely buying a mutual fund instead of investing directly, you will be spared. Fund managers are just as sheepish as Wall Street analysts. Plenty of fund managers owned Enron while the stock plummeted. Investors need to take responsibility for their decisions. A Morningstar Star rating is no insurance policy.

Excerpted from the May 2002 issue of Forbes/Lehmann Income Securities Investor.

Send comments and questions to investingnewsletters@forbes.net.



To: Sully- who wrote (51510)5/16/2002 11:02:13 AM
From: Jim Willie CB  Respond to of 65232
 
Droke makes compelling argument on three negative signals
REAL ESTATE is topping, with REIT index rolling down
TRANSPORTATION is almost in death throes
GOLD is trending up

all three point to extreme difficulty with economic recovery
recent unemployment claims figures bear this out
with weekly average still over 400,000
new housing starts were also down 5% yesterday

housing is critical to support spending generally
transportation is what sends people and products around
gold indicates inflation/deflation, confidence stress, currency turmoil
he raises the possibility of Ford Motor bankruptcy

321gold.com

he also points out that the 4-yr Presidential Cycle calls for a climax low for major stock indexes this autumn
furthermore, drug stock index is down 20% this year
I havent seen that happen even during recessions

321gold.com

interesting arguments, very valid in my view, beware
/ jim