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To: TobagoJack who wrote (19050)	5/17/2002 11:22:58 PM
From: Raymond Duray	Respond to of 74559

Hi Jay, Gosh, sounds like the US's Wild Wild West has nothing on Honk Kong. <gg> Loved the story about the Caribbean/Korean/Kremlin gambling corporations, a classic. Re: Democracy is happening, not by fiat, but by enforcement of the free market place, along with manufacturing deflation, amidst the birthing cry We probably would describe democracy differently. I'd be in agreement with the students who lost their lives on Tiannemen Square, protesting for the sake of actual participation in the choice of leaders and legislators. Your version of democracy is alien to my worldview. I see the market, and commerce to be something completely different from the means by which people chose their leaders. In the Chinese system, as it appears to an outsider like myself, the leadership is chosen from within an elite circle of self-selected and completely unelected power brokers who have no direct responsibility to an electorate. It may be a good way to run a country (and I have to admit to admiring Lee Kwan Yew of Singapore) but it ain't democracy. It's a (sometimes) benign dictatorship. Not a bad way to organize a country, per se. But certainly not to be confused with democracy. Re: There was much Enron could have learned from Hong Kong. Puleeeze, Enron is the feral zombie corporation that can't be killed. Don't give 'em any new ideas. They're already beyond the remotest resemblance to what a corporate citizen should be allow to be. What's shocking to me is that it appears that the re-organization will go on, and the criminals will be exonerated. Such is the hypocritical and insane justice system in America that some poor loser stealing a pizza to feed his kids can get a 50 year prison sentence in California, and we can't successfully prosecute someone like Jeff Skilling. It's a pretty remarkable double-standard that we maintain in this country. Very corrosive to the idealism of youth, or anyone's sense of fair play. -Ray