To: sea_urchin who wrote (14035 ) 5/19/2002 9:12:07 PM From: Alan Whirlwind Respond to of 81502 Yes, I'm sure the Socialists are stirring. They are right though about a certain amount of stonewalling. I've been doing some thinking about this conspiracy stuff. Many years ago (early '70's) a couple of John Birch Society members discussed their thoughts on conspiracy. They believed in a worldwide conspiracy with Socialists/Bilderbuergers, Illumnati, rich cohorts, etc. planning to seize control of the world and people's freedoms. Of course the flaw in their schtick was that these people already were rich and powerful--what more did they need? Why communize the world so you can control the resulting dump marginally better when you can throw your weight around in the still relative paradise (compared to how much worse things could be) we have now. In fact, if you are rich and powerful, a free world is the best possible environment to live in, not some lame Soviet style second best enjoy-the-commisar-while-shortages-abound type arrangement. So let's say for a minute that the Illumnati One Worlders aren't involved here. Why in the world would the last several US administrations be involved in such stupidity? Again, if you say Bush is involved, you also are obliged to trace this thing back--possibly as far back as Balfour. Israel the conspirator. I can see there is enough paranoia in the Middle East to place their finger on the trigger. Afterall, they did attack the USS Liberty when they saw it was to their advantage. Saddam pervertedly coppied from their playbook and attacked the USS Stark, not to keep the US out of the area as the Israelis did, but rather to draw the US further into the Gulf War. Israel has at least an equal # of rich fanatics who will sink money into bizzare, hateful schemes as the Arabs do. They also likely had access to inside help. The Arab extremists on the other hand (Saddam, Quaddafi, Sauidis, etc.) have millionaires galore to draw from and an unending parade of pawns willing to die in order to unknowingly displease Allah. If you are sitting at a chessboard with a dozen extra pawns than any of the other players, I think the temptation is to use them. Run them over minefields to clear a path for infantry while you're at it. While the these extremists probably do not have much if any inside help, the freedoms still existing in the US were tantamount to help. They almost fall a tower and the heat dies down a couple years later and they can go back at it. What more help did they need? Don't forget Iran, but the Persians are more eye-for-an-eye. I think the Trade Towers would have been overkill even in their eyes. And their ability to pull it off seems limited. Some point a finger at Russia, but I now exclude them--they profit from a quiet world now so they can trade with Europe and the US. Sure, there are rumors about conspiring with the US to isolate China and find an oil pipeline across Afghanistan, but I doubt a pipeline across an extremist country is a good idea and somebody upstairs must have figured out the same. China remains in. They love a chess game. We deliberately attacked their embassy in Yugoslavia. They know about our little affair with Russia. I think they are patient enough to wait 10 years if need be to exact revenge. With their manpower resources, who knows what plans they have for the world. Some of those guys are going to want women and too many females are aborted there. They may decide to look elsewhere. Perhaps there is a party we have not yet identified. Nice position to be as the next move is put in place. All you have to do is distribute the evidence around the block away from your house. Last possibility is the Anti-Christ. As if things aren't scary enough as it is.