To: Ish who wrote (87655 ) 5/19/2002 9:14:27 PM From: marcos Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 108807 'No, Let's Talk About Heavy Equipment' ... lol ... got to be something funny about that ... they say if a chat group lasts long enough eventually every participant will be labelled a nazi for one reason or another ... just spent half an hour looking for that stupid diagram ... maybe Holt of the US [there was an austrian Holt AG as well, no relation] was the first to use crawler design in 1904, as Cat and various others say ... yes they can chew up roads if you're not careful at the edges, got to pile dirt/gravel at the edge or you break it ... not far from here there still remain the grouser marks from one summer day in the late 70s when i thought i could travel a little way down a paved road without going home and getting the old tyres and laying them down, moving maybe six metres at a time, what a drag and such hot work lifting etc, and they were 'only street pads' anyway, so what the hey ... well it was hot enough that the pavement was soft, each grouser left a clear mark over an inch deep, luckily not where i got on and off, which were in shade so only neighbours knew, whew -g- .... only maybe four houses on the road so they've never repaved it, if/when they do i'll lose part of my heritage One Wehrmacht veteran BC logger i knew told me about a steam tractor they used to hire in Sachsen, near the polish border, in the 20s or so probably .... they had to pay a per diem in cash, put up the crew in good housing, make a number of guarantees against damage to the machine from big rocks or whatever, but the hardest thing was keeping it in firewood, only an hour's worth or so storage on board, there were four operating the machine but two dozens bringing wood in horsedrawn wagons and loading it quickly at the ends of rows ..... also water had to be brought all day .... it took a number of farmers to go together to make this pay ... towards the end of day they would try to be in a bigger field, so they could keep going in the dark, to get the most from their per diem