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To: jttmab who wrote (13252)	5/23/2002 2:50:34 PM
From: Lazarus_Long	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 21057

Any intelligent adult can, with a little review, teach the sorts of things that are taught in grade school. Why are education colleges needed? You yourself said certificates mean nothing. Private industry? They operate by using a starting assumption that, say, an engineering degree means you at least have the potential to engineer. If you prove them wrong, they fire you. One of the problems with education in this country is that the teacher's unions make that an impossibility. By the time you've seen enough to form a judgement, they've been around long enough that they get to stay forever. The union will protect the most incompetent of the lot. The wonders of education colleges? Remember that "whole word" approach to teaching reading? That was one of their jewels. Produced a generation of semi-illiterates. They noticed that adults didn't sound out each syllable of a written word; they just recognized the "shape" of the word. What they didn't want to take account of is that adults do that after decades of experience reading. That's where they end up after long experience; it's not where they start. .lot's of sleeping went on in those classes. In most of those classes And lots of flunking by those who did. Maybe you weren't, but I was told that once I hit college, no one was going to hold my hand and cajole me to get that education. It was up to me. It's called "being an adult." we weren't allowed to ask questions, those were to be deferred to the grad students. And the problem is? I have a feeling it's not a complete coincidence that schools in lower income areas are getting shorted over schools in higher income areas within the same county. And the people in the higher income areas pay more into the education budget. Why shouldn't they get more back? And if you didn't give them more, they put their kids in private schools. Then you liberals complain about that they're getting a better education in the private schools. Somehow I get the feeling if you're successful in this country you can't win win on this issue. Teaching is a skill that needs to be taught. Or learned. It can be learned on the job as you do it. Just like every other job. In engineering school they cover the basics, you learn how to engineer on the job. You've got teachers doing hall duty and cafeteria duty. Let's try this again: EVERY JOB HAS IT'S SCUT WORK! The fact that a teacher has to play hall monitor DOES NOT mean they need a 2-semester "Audiovisual Media" course in college. If that's true, why not a course in "Hall Monitoring"? Some things are simple and obvious enough that any intelligent adult should be able to learn them on their own. 'My father says that people who can, do; people that can't, teach'. Truth hurts? I've had to do my share of training on equipment and systems that I have expertise on in my career and I've never been inside a School of Education. So what? You decide what has to be covered, how to cover it, how explain the more difficult aspects, and do it. BFD.

To: jttmab who wrote (13252)	5/23/2002 2:55:45 PM
From: Lazarus_Long	Respond to of 21057

Any intelligent adult can, with a little review, teach the sorts of things that are taught in grade school. Why are education colleges needed? You yourself said certificates mean nothing. Private industry? They operate by using a starting assumption that, say, an engineering degree means you at least have the potential to engineer. If you prove them wrong, they fire you. One of the problems with education in this country is that the teacher's unions make that an impossibility. By the time you've seen enough to form a judgement, they've been around long enough that they get to stay forever. The union will protect the most incompetent of the lot. The wonders of education colleges? Remember that "whole word" approach to teaching reading? That was one of their jewels. Produced a generation of semi-illiterates. They noticed that adults didn't sound out each syllable of a written word; they just recognized the "shape" of the word. What they didn't want to take account of is that adults do that after decades of experience reading. That's where they end up after long experience; it's not where they start. .lot's of sleeping went on in those classes. In most of those classes And lots of flunking by those who did. Maybe you weren't, but I was told that once I hit college, no one was going to hold my hand and cajole me to get that education. It was up to me. It's called "being an adult." Oh, yes, you mentioned AP Calculus. And we'd talked about the importance of the teacher knowing the subject matter. Well, my AP Calculus teacher didn't know calculus. Obviously couldn't teach it. I had studied and learned calculus on my own before I took the class, so I passed the AP test. BUT I was the only one in the class who did. Tell me again how inportant all that time in education classes is. I keep forgetting. we weren't allowed to ask questions, those were to be deferred to the grad students. And the problem is? I have a feeling it's not a complete coincidence that schools in lower income areas are getting shorted over schools in higher income areas within the same county. And the people in the higher income areas pay more into the education budget. Why shouldn't they get more back? And if you didn't give them more, they put their kids in private schools. Then you liberals complain about that they're getting a better education in the private schools. Somehow I get the feeling if you're successful in this country you can't win win on this issue. Teaching is a skill that needs to be taught. Or learned. It can be learned on the job as you do it. Just like every other job. In engineering school they cover the basics, you learn how to engineer on the job. You've got teachers doing hall duty and cafeteria duty. Let's try this again: EVERY JOB HAS IT'S SCUT WORK! The fact that a teacher has to play hall monitor DOES NOT mean they need a 2-semester "Audiovisual Media" course in college. If that's true, why not a course in "Hall Monitoring"? Some things are simple and obvious enough that any intelligent adult should be able to learn them on their own. 'My father says that people who can, do; people that can't, teach'. Truth hurts? I've had to do my share of training on equipment and systems that I have expertise on in my career and I've never been inside a School of Education. So what? You decide what has to be covered, how to cover it, how explain the more difficult aspects, and do it. BFD.