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To: DOUG H who wrote (257176)	5/20/2002 11:33:33 PM
From: Thomas A Watson	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769670

And Ray is also a technology retard who does not know the limitations of sonar arrays and how dumb his assertion are. That's from the Naval Underwater Systems Center SHIT Specialist. watman.com tom watson tosiwmee

To: DOUG H who wrote (257176)	5/21/2002 12:00:41 AM
From: Raymond Duray	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769670

Uh Doug, Re: Get a load of this guy I hate to break it to you, but her name isn't applied to male babies, in spite of Johnny Cash's "A Boy Named Sue". BTW, are the hot tubs extra? <g> Re: You missed the point Ray, the article WAS A SPOOF! I nonconcur. If you re-read my post, I've indicated why Saletan's "straw man" argument was so weak. It was because he was describing a preposterous threat scenario. His "script" wouldn't even make it onto the worst Fox TV show. But I'm now wondering, why is it so hard for you to put this together: 1) Bin Laden issued a fatwa against the US 2) He had a track record of blowing up US assets 3) Known associates of al Quada were in the US 4) The WTC towers were a well known target, as was the Pentagon. 5) Airplane hijackings have been a commonplace since the early 1970's. 6) El Al has taken steps to isolate the flight deck from passenger compartments on all aircraft. US carriers lobbied long and hard for the cheapest and least secure solution. We were creating the conditions under which a Bin Laden attack could succeed. Doug, I don't think it takes a genius to see that we were creating our own hazards with the laxness of our immigration policies, airport screening policies, airframe policies, etc. Generally we were either being cheap or slack. Creating a lot of vulnerablility because of our hubris. The problem we face today is that there is still no unified voice on matters of security. The CIA, FBI and DoD are still all preserving their territorial imperatives and Tom Ridge is impotent. We haven't learned a thing, or done much at all to solve the problems we are aware of. The fact that we can't even decide to let flight crews carry firearms is an indication of absurd bureaucrat and legislative intransigence. Re: To be honest with ya Ray, this whole gang of Bushhaters trying to play expost facto pin the tail on the donkey are really starting to look ridiculous. How about Sen. Richard Shelby's concerns? I think he's raising some really important issues. And as a loyal Republican, I don't think you can call his concern opportunistic party politics? I think Shelby is acting like a true patriot, while the Bush/Cheney team are looking like sneaky weasels and fans of totalitarian government. Something that ought to be anathema to all of us, knowing the sorry history of that form of secretive governance throughout history. Bush/Cheney really need to start to level with the American public and quit hiding behind the flag. At the least, it gives the appearance that they aren't being truthful with the American people. -Ray