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To: Richnorth who wrote (85641)5/22/2002 1:03:31 AM
From: E. Charters  Respond to of 116822
 
Remember that was from gold in constant dollars. In 1945 gold was at a high, despite being at a low in constant dollars due to inflation. So the curve may change if we calculate from 1935 dollars onwards and calc from gold cost over a dollar labour, energy and materials. Psychologically it is easy to get into production with a high dollar cost of gold even if it is eroded by inflation.

Of course the CPI or IndustrialPI should perhaps eat the gold at the same rate, but this is not known for sure. Technology in mining may work against this. It has in some areas. Cost of money is a factor too. As interest rates fall, so does capital payback and so costs fall there too. In fact during the 50's and 60's mining was cheap as labour, money and energy in Canada was cheap and copper was high. So most gold was got from copper mines during that era.

Still we are in a 20 year fall of the price of gold. There were local highs in 1987 with the stock market fall, and 1996. The 46 year cycle looks strong but where is the previous high to todays low exactly in cost of mining over gold price -- and does it equate to a real buying power of gold or is it just a generalized inflation index? In 1980 is was very dear to get into gold mining as money was terribly expensive... so was gold really at an all time high? Scotty Gold mines went broke at those high gold prices.

In 1970 gold was at good price in historical terms then (38.00), today we would say it was at an all time low in present dollars (177.00). So what this says is that gold could take off in price and look high, but not yet be at an theoretical inflation beating price. This for most purposes won't matter.

Why should it break its strict cycle in constant dollars of 47 to 53 years? Well it may not in the mythical constant dollar, but it may in today's dollars. What we see in analog is that at the end of 1920 which inflation wise is where we are sitting today, is that gold rose in price during a deflationary period or recession/depression. Then Roosevelt fixed it to prevent further erosion of the dollar. He needed that rising star. Ironically that delayed economic recovery by limiting capital. The difference between then and now is that they had no price inflation during the 20's. It was all from 1900 to 1920. Then they had stock market inflation during the 20's as we had in in the 90's. We had both subtle but damaging price inflation in the 90's but commensurate market inflation. So we are about even with the 29 crash. The Dow, we can be sure is on big phony reporting bubble of paper empires. There ain't no beef. No earnings or production to match the equity value.

What do we get for the next five years? Deflation of prices, housing, computers, labour, cars, the works. And falls of commodity prices. And gold will get cheaper to mine! But the rule is gold should rise. And what will chase that value is the commodities themselves which need a market. Value for value. This is all indirect of course. We won't see people demanding gold for bread.

It has never been cheaper capital cost wise to get into mining. Also money is relatively cheap. Mill and mine equipment is at 25 cents on the dollar. Labour is relatively cheap. This is mitigated by the fact that mining equipment production has been savaged.

Strangely even with relatively high 90's prices of gold, you just could not get a mine started! Everybody was saying tech - tech - tech. My question is what is tech for? Word processing? What about building mill and mine engineering? The technology had been lost to that generation of developers.

EC<:-}