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Politics : PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: JDN who wrote (257557)	5/22/2002 7:07:42 AM
From: haqihana	Respond to of 769667

JDN, Amen Brother!!!! Another thing that the outside world seems to overlook, is that the voters of the 2 or 3 counties that had some problems with the butterfly ballot, were the most affluent counties in the state. The affluent society votes mostly for the Democratic ticket, so if there had not been some of those hanging chads, Bush would have won by an even larger margin.

To: JDN who wrote (257557)	5/22/2002 8:24:24 AM
From: Don Pueblo	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769667

I can only offer one example of voter fraud in Florida that I personally witnessed. I followed the simple and easy to understand instructions, I filled out my ballot, and I looked over my ballot when I was done. I saw no BS "hanging chad" on my ballot, but if I had, I would have either corrected it or asked for a new ballot and had the faulty one destroyed, which you can do. I voted for George Bush. A while after that, Gore decided he was going to challenge the election results in a few counties in Florida. I figured he was out of his mind, but I decided to watch the circus. I was watching a live television feed from the recount of the recount. There were three people re-recounting ballots. The main guy was a Democrat (and a judge in Florida), the other guy was a Republican, and the third person was a Democrat named Suzanne Gunzberger. The judge looked very closely at a ballot that contained some sort of oddity; I don't know what it was because he didn't specifically mention it, and finally said "That is a vote for Gore." Then he handed it to the Republican guy, who looked at it for about 15 seconds (a long time) and said, "No vote." Then he handed it to Suzanne Gunzberger, who happened to be having a chat at that moment with somebody that was out of the camera's field of view. She took the ballot, and went back to her conversation with her friend off-camera. Then she stopped, looked over at the judge, and said "What did you say?" The judge said "vote for Gore" and Suzanne Gunzberger said immediately, "vote for Gore". She did not even bother to look at the ballot, she just placed it in a pile and went back to her conversation with her off-camera friend. I saw the crime on live television. I called my attorney and told him the story and asked if he would be willing to take it to court. He laughed. I said, "Yeah, that's what I thought, but I had to ask." From my personal experience, I can also say that every election I have ever voted in, and I vote in all of them, has been straight-up and correct from what I have personally seen at the polling places. If I saw anyone at a polling place that even appeared to possibly perhaps maybe want to think about trying to stop a voter from voting, I would personally call the cops immediately. In fact, I have seen many instances of workers at the polling places going out of their ways to make SURE that the voters got to submit their ballots. As anyone who has actually set foot in this state knows, there are literally millions of fossils here, who, God bless them, sometimes have trouble doing simple tasks like driving a car or paying for something at a store. Every time I have gone to a polling place, I've seen at least one example of some worker personally assisting somebody who had some sort of question or hassle with voting; without regard for race, creed, or party affiliation. It's always been very professional, non-biased, very friendly, very legal, and above-board, in my personal experience. You and I both know what's going on with this "voter fraud in Florida" crap, eh? It would be good for these boneheads to check out the dictionary and get straight on the words "ballot" and "vote".

To: JDN who wrote (257557)	5/23/2002 1:00:57 PM
From: DuckTapeSunroof	Read Replies (4) \| Respond to of 769667

Hey, there are crooked elections on the margin all over the place. I think the main concerns regarding Florida were the purges of the rolls at the behest of Jeb Bush and K. Harris. The firm that they hired to purge the rolls was given a very fault-prone set of instructions for the purge criteria. Only one 'match' was required (partial name, SS#, etc.), with no follow-up verification. When the firm came back to Florida and said 'this will result in false deletions from the rolls' they were told not to worry about it. This, in itself, would not have been a serious issue except that there was no attempt to notify the 'purged' in advance of the election... or allow them to challenge the purge. When the head (Democrat) of the Palm Beach Board of Elections found his own name on the purge list provided to his board (because his name partially matched the name of a felon from Texas), he saw what the game was. The goal was to strike as many as possible of those voters judged likely to vote for the opponent, and worry about any cleanup after the election. As I've said, the company hired to conduct the database search and purge of the voting rolls clearly notified the Governor's office that the purge results were 'unverified' and likely to contain many errors.