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To: Neocon who wrote (48176)5/24/2002 3:28:20 PM
From: Lane3  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 82486
 
It is useful to know that Thomas Jefferson bought the territory, because it conflicted with his professed beliefs about a weak executive, and therefore showed that one should take some of his pronunciamentoes with a grain of salt.

That's an interesting point, something I hadn't thought of. When I hear interesting points, I always perk up, curious soul that I am. Beyond the momentary rush of endorphins at this new discovery, though, how will I or the world be better off for my knowing that. Why does it matter, really?

It is useful to know that we bought it from France because it can help explain the prevalence of French place names in the Middle West, and the reason that there are Cajuns in Louisiana.

Conversely, one could reasonably conclude that we bought it from France because of all the French place names. Or one could simply find the French place names quaint and charming independent of their origin and go on one's merry way.

But I have heard people make the most preposterous mistakes, and be vulnerable to the most absurd claims, because they had no internal "plausibility meter", which depends on having a reasonable amount of facts stored away........

That is so.

OTOH, one could simply recognize that one doesn't know much about a particular subject and refrain, on that basis, from making any claims. Knowing when you don't know is a part of critical thinking, too, and much easier on the grey matter than storing a bunch of facts.

BTW, for those of us who think analogies and English are important, that should be "reasonable NUMBER of facts." <g> It's Jewel's fault. Just couldn't help myself.



To: Neocon who wrote (48176)5/24/2002 10:11:12 PM
From: PatiBob  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 82486
 
For anyone interested in how Cajun's believe they got here, this is a quote from Rev. Msgr. Jules Daigle who lived among the Cajuns of Louisiana for 84 years and who is believed by Cajuns to be an authority on the Cajun and Acadian people:

"Historically, the Cajun's are the descendants of the French people who colonized the general area of ancient Acadia, now known as Nova Scotia, beginning in 1604. Generally known as Acadians, most of them appear to have come from Northwestern France. During most of their stay in Acadia, they were harassed by the British colonists of North America. Finally, in 1713, at the treaty of Utrecht, the French government sold out the Acadians to the British. From that time until 1755, the British not only took their land by force, but harassed the Acadians to take an oath of allegiance to England, and also tried to force them to renounce their Catholic religion and become Protestants as well as to agree to bear arms against France. Both of these, the Acadians flatly and staunchly refused to do."

"Finally, in 1755, the British began a cruel, systematic program of deportation of our ancestors. Between 6,000 and 7,000 of them were deported to several of the original thirteen British colonies. At that time, all of these colonies had proscriptive laws, outlawing all Catholics within their borders. By some estimates, as many as one-quarter of the deportees may have died on the way, either from shipwreck, epidemic or starvation."

"Penniless, ill-clad and, worst of all, being both French and Catholics, nothing but scorn and hatred awaited them in the colonies. The American historian Stevens describes their situation roughly as follows: "these seven thousand condemned people were scattered like leaves in gusts of an autumn wind, in the midst of a people who hated their religion, detested their country (France), made fun of their customs and laughed at their language. Cast-off on foreign shores, these people who had known abundance and well-being suddenly became outcasts, vagabonds and beggers, with no one to heal their broken hearts or alleviate their sufferings.""

"Obviously, the deportees could not remain in the colonies where they were so universally despised. After serving their indenture to the British colonists, some of them made their way back to Acadia or to Canada. Others found refuge in the French islands of Martinique, Guadaloupe, St Dominque, etc. In the meanwhile, many of the Acadians who had evaded capture by the British sought refuge in the forests among the friendly Indians of the north. Of all the Acadians deported by the British, a considerable number were brought to England as prisoners: eventually, most of these found their way back to France."

"It was from all the above groups that many of the Acadians came to Louisiana, beginning in the early 1760's. Free at last, they had to begin a totally new and different kind of life in a strange land. For a people who had always lived near the sea, in northern climates, living in the vast prairies and along the bayous of semi-tropical Louisiana must have been a confusing experience. Not only did they have to learn new ways of making their living, they soon found out that even their French language was wholly inadequate in Louisiana. Here were countless new vegetables, trees, fruits. Here were birds, fishes, wild animals they had never seen or heard of before. Here the whole topography and geography were different. Here were bayous, marshes, ponds, cypress swamps, etc. for which their French had no names.

For all the above and countless other things and situations that touched their daily lives, the Acadians had to invent a new vocabulary, find new types of foods, develope new cuisine and a whole new way of life. Thus was born the Cajun language and the Cajun culture."

"It should be noted here that the words Cajun and Acadian do not have the same meaning. The word Cajun applies only to those whose Acadian ancestors came to Louisiana after the eviction of 1755, whereas the broader term Acadian applies to all the descendents of the original Acadians, regardless of where they now live. Thus all Cajuns are Acadians, but not all Acadians are Cajuns."

PB



To: Neocon who wrote (48176)5/26/2002 5:28:16 PM
From: The Philosopher  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 82486
 
But I have heard people
make the most preposterous mistakes,


We all have, particularly in the use of mathematics and statistics.

Have you read either Paulos's Innumeracy or Huff's How to Lie with Statistics? Both excellent books on the abuse of numbers and statistics. Our children are taught to compute (at least somewhat), but not usually to THINK about numbers and what they mean.