To: briskit who wrote (12383 ) 5/28/2002 5:24:19 AM From: 2MAR$ Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 28931 Well that is one of the main discrepancies that comes out of the earlier gnostics and monastic orders that were actually the orginators and sustainers of the early Christian faith . The message of Jesus was completely simple and straight forward as it usually has been portrayed in the Gospels , though in the particular mystic gospel of John their are messages of a higher order . And that gospel also was written much later than the others and emphasizes the "I and the Father are one" idea . The Gospel of Luke is Apocalyptic and full of the end of the world and repentance before it's too late ...In the Gospel of Mathew I think you find passsages that has Jesus stating that he is not "The Father " but a man and just a good Jewish boy trying to do what's right, as many youths were prone to do , in rebellion against the old ritual and laws that came before , that enriched the priests , but did very little good for the people or their hearts . It really was these earliest orders of Monastics that dotted the landscapes all throughout the middle east that preserved the truest spirit of the teachings of Jesus . Most didn't regard Jesus as "God" , but a very highly centered , and spirtually oriented revealer of God's word thru deed and action and sacrifice. But it seems a whole gambit of worms had been opened up , when they later transformed this doctrince so touching into a melodramatic farce of mythical proportions ....which the Roman Christians were very inclined to do, as in in the other things all things. They were an Empire after all , and a doctrine and theology had to be promoted that would elevate a simple , good and honest rabbai into some huge colosssal mythological diety. In contrast to Christianity which seeded the irrational idea of humankind is born with original sin visiting upon their souls from 4000 yrs previously and their original parents Adam and Eve , and Jesus comes into the picture so late to redeem "some" ....in Islam the Qur’an maintains that after their initial disobedience, Adam and Eve repented and were forgiven by God. Consequently Muslims believe that the descent by Adam and Eve to earth from Paradise was not a fall, but an honor bestowed on them by God. Adam and his progeny were appointed as God's messengers and vice regents, and were entrusted by God with the guardianship of the earth . A much nobler message , but whatever gets you humble and controls the masses the best .<G>