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To: frankw1900 who wrote (31023)5/28/2002 10:43:20 PM
From: arun gera  Respond to of 281500
 
Pakistan North Korea Connection according to Saag.org

saag.org

PAKISTAN & AXIS OF EVIL: Ghauri Missile

by B.Raman

"While the Government of Pakistan has, since 1975, allowed at least a façade of democracy and autonomy to Pakistan-Occupied Kashmir (POK), it has kept the NA (Northern Areas--Gilgit and Baltistan) under tight federal control, imposing an iron curtain in the area. The reasons are its strategic location adjoining China and the clandestine use of the Karakoram Highway for the movement of Chinese nuclear material and missiles.
"Drawing attention to this in a paper titled "The Northern Areas: Behind Pakistan's Iron Curtain" published in the September 1996 issue of the "Strategic Analysis", the monthly journal of the Institute of Defence Studies And Analysis, New Delhi, this writer had said: " The Karakoram Highway is also used for the movement to Pakistan of Chinese nuclear and military equipment like the M-11 missiles, equipment for the nuclear power station being constructed with Chinese assistance etc. The two countries do not transport such sensitive equipment by sea to avoid detection by the USA.

"This has now been corroborated by the "Washington Times" story of August 6,2001, regarding the movement of Chinese missiles to Pakistan by trucks. "The Hindu" of Chennai (August 7) has quoted the "Washington Times" as follows: "American satellite monitoring of the area detected a shipment on May 1 on the China-Pakistan border. By US intelligence estimates, it was one of the 12 consignments sent by ship and truck since the beginning of the year.

"In the past, Pakistan had been receiving its clandestine missile consignments from North Korea by sea. Since the appointment of Mr. Richard Armitage as Deputy Secretary of State in the current Bush Administration, Pakistan and North Korea have been worried because in a paper on US policy options towards North Korea submitted to the US House of Representatives on March 4,1999, Mr. Armitage had, inter alia, recommended as follows: "Should diplomacy fail, the United States would have to consider two alternative courses, neither of which is attractive. One is to live with and deter a nuclear North Korea armed with delivery systems, with all its implications for the region. The other is preemption, with the attendant uncertainties. Strengthened deterrence and containment. This would involve a more ready and robust posture, including a willingness to interdict North Korean missile exports on the high seas. Our posture in the wake of a failure of diplomacy would position the United States and its allies to enforce 'red lines.' Preemption. We recognize the dangers and difficulties associated with this option. To be considered, any such initiative must be based on precise knowledge of facilities, assessment of probable success, and clear understanding with our allies of the risks."

"It is understood that during the visit of the Chinese Prime Minister, Mr.Zhu Rongji, to Pakistan in May,2001, Islamabad had taken up with China the question of allowing future missile consignments from North Korea to come to Pakistan by road via China and the Northern Areas. "

----Extracts from an article dated August 7,2001, titled "GILGIT & BALTISTAN, CHINA & NORTH KOREA" by this writer available at saag.org ---------------------------------------------------------
The firing on May 25,2002,of a North Korean made Nodong (I ?) missile, baptised Ghauri by Pakistan in 1998 to hoodwink its own population and the international community that the missile was the result of research and development by its own scientists, should be a matter of greater concern to the Bush Administration in the US and Japan than to India because it provides one more piece of evidence, if it was needed, of the nexus between Pakistan's military-intelligence establishment and the nuclear-missile establishment of North Korea, which has been placed by President Bush in what he described in his State of the Union Message of January,2002, as the axis of evil.

This nexus was first established during the second tenure of Mrs.Benazir Bhutto as the Prime Minister (!993-96) when she made a clandestine visit to Pyongyang and subsequently nursed by the Nawaz Sharif Government and the Musharraf regime. Pakistan was initially paying for the missiles and spare parts partly in kind ( Pakistani, US and Australian wheat to meet North Korea's acute food shortage in the 1990s) and partly through supply of nuclear technology to help North Korea in the development of its own military nuclear capability.

During the last three or four years, Pakistani nuclear scientists and engineers have been working in North Korea and North Korean missile experts in Pakistan. Since September, 2001, the increased and still increasing cash flow into Pakistan from the USA, the European Union and Japan has enabled the military regime to pay for the North Korean missiles and related technology in hard currency.

Since the beginning of this year, there has been a large-scale movement of military goods under military escort to Pakistan from China along the Karakoram Highway. While most of these containers were said to contain spare parts and replacements for the Chinese arms and ammunition and aircraft in Pakistan's arsenal, one should not rule out the possibility that the Chinese might have accepted the Pakistani request for the movement of the missile-related goods from North Korea by train and road across China and then along the Karakoram Highway.

This carefully-nursed co-operation between North Korea and Pakistan could not only help North Korea to develop a nuclear capability which could pose a threat to the USA and Japan, but could also make these missiles in Pakistan a tempting target for acquisition for the dregs of the present Afghan war from the Al Qaeda, the Taliban and the Pakistani jehadi organisations, which have made Pakistan the new staging ground for their anti-US and anti-West activities.

What Pakistan carried out on the morning of May 25, 2002, was not a test firing of a missile under development through indigenous efforts as projected by Musharraf, but the demonstration firing of a ready-to-fire missile acquired clandestinely from Bush's axis of evil. It was meant as a demonstration of Pakistan's self-proclaimed capability to the Pakistani public as well as to its Armed Forces in order to keep up their morale at a time when Pakistan has come under great pressure from the international community to stop using terrorism as a weapon against India.

It was also meant to refurbish Musharraf's image in the eyes of his people at a time when his recent referendum stands discredited due to large-scale rigging, large sections of the political class have been questioning the wisdom of his continuing in power at a time of national crisis and there have been growing signs of disquiet in the military over his erratic ways of functioning and over his hugging desperately the post of the Chief of the Army Staff (COAS) in the hope of thereby pre-empting any threat to him from inside the Armed Forces.

He received a jolt during the recent referendum when more than 20 per cent of the votes cast in the military barracks were reportedly against him whereas only about three per cent of the civilian votes went against him. This would show that the support to him in the military was not as overwhelming as he liked to think. His colleagues and subordinates might not express their opposition to him in public, but did not hesitate to do so when they had an opportunity of doing so anonymously during the referendum.

Musharraf is hoping that his action in carrying out the missile firing would dilute, if not remove, the reservations in their minds about him and about his determination to resist outside pressure vis-a-vis India.

While India should take note of the firing, there is no reason to be concerned. India was already aware of Musharraf's nexus with the axis of evil and of Pakistan's possession of the North Korean missiles under the camouflage of indigenous missiles and one can be certain that this must have been factored into our thinking and planning.

This was essentially an exercise of whistling in the dark by Musharraf. What is important is that India should highlight to the US, Japan and other countries the nuclear-missile nexus between Pakistan and North Korea and the threat that this could pose to them and to international peace and security.



To: frankw1900 who wrote (31023)5/28/2002 11:28:49 PM
From: Bilow  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 281500
 
Hi frankw1900; Re: "It's not run by a military junta?" What, you want Musharraff to run an election in the middle of a war? The guy has acknowledged that the country will return to democracy, that's the best you can hope for in the middle of a crisis. Let me make this more clear with an example from our own history. The US didn't assemble for a constitutional convention until the revolutionary war was over. And even then it took years before they got anywhere.

Re: "Of course thay can. They're intimate with al Qaeda. They give as little as possible, grudgingly, and much of their officer corps and security agencies energetically attempt to sabotage the help and would love to find an opportunity to back shoot US forces. I said Pakistan is an ambiguous ally." Who exactly is this "they"? Governments are composed of complicated groupings of individuals, each with their own views and interests. It's not possible to make a government turn on a dime. It's never been done in the US, for example, even when there was clear guidance at the top. As an example, look at how long it took the US to excise racism from its legal structures in all its individual states.

You're making the mistake here of assigning to a large collection of diverse individuals a single characteristic. Like any nation, the Pakistanis have diverse interests. Musharraf is about as good a leader as we're going to find right now. Let me make this more clear from an event from our recent history. Jimmy Carter didn't like the Shah of Iran because he was authoritarian. So he didn't support the Shah (not that there was significant support Carter could give), and the result was 20 years of islamic fascism that made the Shah look like Benny Goodman.

Re: "The US, I repeat, will not [refuses to] sell to Pakistan the weapons it does sell to India." #reply-17524360

You gave 7 links. The first two talk about Israeli sales to India. I don't think that Israel and the US are the same thing, or has there been a coup I was unaware of? The next link talks about US arms sales to Pakistan and India. A simple quote from the article puts the relative sales (and gifts) to Pakistan and India in proper prospective: "We are at the beginning of a very important arms sales relationship," Robert Blackwell, US ambassador to India, recently told Agence France-Presse. The meaning of the word "beginning" is very clear to me. The next link quotes: "On 25 February, the Defense Security Cooperation Agency notified Congress of a possible Foreign Military Sale to India of Firefinder weapon locating radars." On my planet there is a difference between "possible" sales of weapons and real sales of weapons. Wait till we find out if the sale goes through, given India's recent saber rattling. Your next link illustrates the incredible paucity of US arms sales to India since September 11th. I quote: 2/7/2002 four helicopter crew seats. $ unknown 2/7/2002 112,200 microdetonators (fuses) for antiaircraft guns. $ unknown 2/7/2002 540 LAT-0570 electrical motors. $ unknown 2/7/2002 eight AN/TPQ-37 Firefinder Weapon locating systems and 26 AN/VRC-90E SINCGAR radios with their associated equipment and technical, logistic and maintenance support $146 million.

This is negligible compared to historic US supplies to Pakistan. 40 F-16s, for example, cost about $600 million.
piads.com.pk

Your next link notes: "But following the attacks, most sanctions were waived for both countries after they demonstrated support for the U.S. military campaign in Afghanistan. Now the radar system is one of about 20 Indian military purchases in the works, and U.S. officials are on record promising to push them through licensing procedures." This in itself is incompatible with your statement: "The US, I repeat, will not [refuses to] sell to Pakistan the weapons it does sell to India," but the article goes further: "But Pakistan is also in line for weapons purchases from the United States and has been promised a whopping $600 million in security assistance, though its larger weapons requests — particularly for F-16 fighter jets — remain stalled. To spell it out, the Pakistanis are getting smaller weapons for free, while the Indians are being made to pay good money for a few expensive systems. And your last link is a restatement of the long range radar sale that may or may not go through. The article states: "U.S. President George W. Bush has been trying to boost its strategic ties with India, even as it has courted Pakistan in its fight against the al Qaeda network and the Taliban in neighboring Afghanistan. While India has taken a diplomatic backseat to nuclear foe Pakistan since Islamabad's assistance to America in the war on terror, New Delhi has also given substantial logistical support to U.S. forces during their campaign in Afghanistan. India, which has fought three border wars with Pakistan since independence from Britain in 1947 and one with China in 1962, has long been a buyer of Russian and British military equipment." The thing to note here is that it is Pakistan that is being "courted", while with India, ties are merely being boosted. Also, since it is a fact that most Indian military equipment is Russian, it is not possible for the US to supply India with much in the way of resupply. The only thing we can do, pretty much, is sell them full weapons systems.

So. What is this weapon system that the U.S. is selling to India but we won't sell to Pakistan? Here's a clue: The Pakistanis don't have a hell of a lot of money, so they have to take what they're given.

By the way, the exporting of weapons is one of the traditional strengths of the U.S., dating back even to before the revolution. The impetus of the British naval blockade turned the US into a significant player in this area and it has remained that way ever since. For the US to cut off possible purchasers of weapons systems is contrary to free trade practices.

Note that it is not the US government that is selling radars to India, it is Raytheon, a US company. Raytheon undoubtedly would love to sell the same thing to any country it can, but the problem is that most countries (Pakistan in particular) don't have the cash to pay for it.

-- Carl