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To: Bilow who wrote (31086)	5/30/2002 4:27:26 AM
From: LindyBill	Respond to of 281500

Daily Brickbat Absurd news bites, served fresh every day. By Charles Oliver The Company They Keep (5/30) Zimbabwe is now a member of the United Nations Human Rights Commission, the body charged with investigating human rights abuses around the world. The move came despite Zimbabwean President Robert Mugabe's recent election steal, his confiscation of much of the nation's private farmland, and his harassment of political enemies and racial minorities. Actually, Zimbabwe may have been added to the commission because of these crimes. According to Joanna Weschler, the U.N. representative for Human Rights Watch, Zimbabwe is joining an "abusers' caucus" that includes China, Syria, and Sudan. The countries vote together to protect each other from scrutiny.

To: Bilow who wrote (31086)	5/30/2002 8:16:10 AM
From: Jack Hartmann	Respond to of 281500

we're going to get dragged into this thing I think we are there. You posted many thoughts. I think the orderly surrender of a respected leadership influences the civilians' will to continue to fight rather than killing 10% of the population. Your German example, Japan 1945, the Confederates during the Civil War, WW1 Germany, and Falkland War are one that come to mind. But none of these war were a religious based war. I think if you use the Ottoman empire expansion into Eastern Europe, the mass killing were necessary to subdue the constant uprisings. I cannot think of a religious based war that settled without massive (20%) civilian deaths. I remember when Peru captured the Shining Path guerrila leader, Abimael Guzman in 1999. The incidents of terrorist activities dropped quite a bit since then compared to the time period before. I forgot how many "terrorist" leaders are in Palestine held lands, But I remember at least four groups, Hamas, Islamic Jihad, Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP), and Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades. Add the Lebanonese one like Hezbollah and the problem is a hydra of many many heads. I try to avoid commenting on that area since everything seems to have been said. :P The small caliber ammo problem is one I had not heard of. I would imagine the exit wound being larger, but apparently this is not the case. I remember being told the 7.62 ammo was nice for putting down the enemy. The bullet seem to bounce in the body was the saying back in the 1970's. Rambling Jack