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To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (31339)6/1/2002 10:27:28 PM
From: SirRealist  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 281500
 
Paul & Nadine, I see the truth in that observation, that some lack the self awareness to articulate their positions well, but I likewise have observed many who simply don't think critically and see the strengths & weaknesses of their positions.... meaning they choose a viewpoint, sometimes due to family upbringing or class level, or perhaps in alliance with one or two issues, and they have difficulty defending their conservative/liberal positions on issues that are irrelevant to them, so they resort to belittling the other.

I tend to think most of us are more complex. I find myself liberal on some issues, radical on a few, conservative on some, and indifferent on some, as well. I feel no compulsion to defend all issues of liberalism because I have a few issues where I agree with the liberal view, and I reject the herd mentality that requires one to do so, to be a 'card-carrying' this or that.

Though Molly comes across as a flaming liberal, I recognize that she has populist roots, with a pedigree earned at Smith, so she's been fully exposed to poverty, wealth, privilege, etc, yet chooses to speak from the populist side at a very human level instead of trying to prove her 'eruditeness' by using 6 vowel words that gave Noah Webster nightmares, as some pundits are wont to do.

I keep hoping there'll be a Point/Counterpoint program with her and P.J. O'Rourke representing left & right, because both are sharp, effective, witty and don't talk down to people.

Buying into an ideology is like any other purchase. Some do it cause it's the in thing at the moment. Some shop carefully and are well-informed consumers. Out of the latter come the best conversationalists, on either side.



To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (31339)6/2/2002 1:04:33 AM
From: LindyBill  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 281500
 
Nadine, I have not seen a post from you of David Warren's column, so here it is. Warren seems on with this one.

THE WAR ROOM
May 26, 2002

Musharraf's nerve

The late great polymath Herman Kahn made an enviable living "thinking the unthinkable" about nuclear war, and in his memory I turn to the unthinkable possibilities India and Pakistan are now offering the world. I shall maintain my serenity, though as a man who spent the most memorable part of his childhood in the beloved city of Lahore, I am hardly indifferent to the situation I am describing. The lives of some millions of people are at issue here, and large sections of the Punjab if not other regions could be rendered uninhabitable.

That is why it is so important to think about the "unthinkable", to be prepared for anything.

The first observation is that India would not be the first to use nuclear weapons. This is not because India (unlike Pakistan) has forsworn first use -- there are no binding promises in love or war, not any more -- but because it cannot lose a conventional war. The Indian army is not only larger, but I think better trained, and more disciplined after a couple of decades of ideological and religious tampering to the Pakistani army on the other side. And the Indian economy can more easily sustain a war effort. Not only has India seven times Pakistan's population; the per capita income is now much higher. For while, in the last decade or more, India's economy has been opening towards free trade, Pakistan's has been whipped in circles by the whirlwinds associated with Islamism.

Pakistan has nuclear missiles because India's primary enemy, China, chose to bestow these on Pakistan as a gift. The Pakistani missiles are of Chinese manufacture and design; only the names they have been given are indigenous to Pakistan. Pakistan's own nuclear research has been under the direction of men like Sultan Bashiruddin Mahmood and Chaudhry Abdul Majeed -- who when they were not consorting with such as Osama bin Laden, were hatching plans to generate electricity by tapping into the astral power of "djinns" (fairy spirits in the Islamic cosmology).

To be fair, the Chinese can't be blamed for everything. Much of the uranium enrichment expertise was supplied by Atomic Energy of Canada, and Sultan Mahmood learned his stuff on a Candu reactor near Karachi -- the only one in Pakistan from the 1970s until the year before last, when a second, Chinese-built reactor came online. Indeed, the fifty or so leading Pakistani nuclear engineers of the first generation were trained not in China, but in Ontario and New Brunswick. And if the radioactive plutonium that is the raw material for these bombs did not come from the spent fuel of that Candu reactor, it must have come from the djinns.

We performed a similar service for the Indians, incidentally (who proved quicker on the uptake). So if there is a nuclear catastrophe on the subcontinent, we have the satisfaction of knowing that it may only have been possible thanks to your tax money and mine.

Like the Europeans, we help create problems. We assume it is up to the United States to solve them.

Even without knowing anything "above my paygrade", I could guess that the U.S. has not only gone to considerable trouble to locate Pakistan's nuclear installations, and deduce how weapons would be armed and launched (their three missile tests over the weekend will have helped the U.S. monitoring considerably). They must also have put in place a contingency plan to take these missiles out, by commando action, the moment a real threat of their use arises. It is pure speculation on my part, but I should think events since Dec. 13 (when Kashmiri jihadists attacked the Indian Parliament) would have been enough to push any such plans onto a front burner.

So that one of the imponderables, should war begin between India and Pakistan over the Line of Control in Kashmir, is what might happen suddenly in the background.

The circumstances in which Pakistan might first use nuclear weapons was sketched out in war games played in the U.S. several years ago, in which it appeared that any kind of escalation of a confrontation in Kashmir would lead, inexorably, to a subcontinental Armaggedon. To simplify, the most likely scenario is:

1. India sends commandos into "Azad" Kashmir to close terrorist camps.

2. This ignites a full battle between Pakistani and Indian armies in Kashmir, in which the Pakistanis are pushed back a distance sufficient to cause the government in Islamabad to teeter.

3. To compensate, the Pakistanis look for the weak point along the Indian border elsewhere, and advance there, hoping at least to grab territory for later exchange, and at most to incite international (i.e. American) intervention to stop the Indian advance.

4. The Indian army now moves towards Lahore, and the Indian navy towards Karachi.

5. On the brink of a replay of the battle for Bangladesh (when "West" lost "East" Pakistan in 1971), and with the prospect of an Indian occupation of all the Pakistani lowland, the Pakistanis drop one nuclear bomb on the largest concentration of the advancing Indian army.

6. India then retaliates with everything it has.

Of course, either Pakistan or India might take step 6. earlier, depending, perhaps literally, on which way the wind is blowing, and in the vain belief that the first strike wins. Any president of those United States, once the battle is started, might decide that the risks associated with prophylactic strikes against the Pakistani nuclear force now outweighed the risks of sitting tight.

The worry is that the Indian government may come to rely on just such a calculation; and indeed I've been told by a not-necessarily-reliable source on the Indian side that, "We already assume the U.S. has Pakistan's nuclear arsenal under lock and key."

Bad assumption. In particular, Pakistan will have contingencies against the U.S. contingencies; or a U.S. intervention could be botched. There are no sure things on this planet, which is why it is wise never to lose one's temper when one is fully armed.

On Monday, Pervez Musharraf, the Pakistani dictator, made an address to his nation that could please no one outside it. While he repeated his promise to prevent Kashmiri jihadists from infiltrating Indian Jammu and Kashmir, it is a promise the Indians are tired of hearing, whenas Mr. Musharraf never acts upon it. The speech was, on balance, shockingly belligerent for the leader of a country in Pakistan's situation. Coming on the heels of Pakistan's missile tests, it seemed almost designed to trigger an Indian assault. Thinking he was calling an Indian bluff, Mr. Musharraf may have been calling his own.

George W. Bush, replying from Europe, went pointedly beyond the bounds of diplomacy. He said that Mr. Musharraf would be better employed suppressing Kashmiri jihadists than testing his missiles. The U.S. state department followed up, with an excruciating flurry of calls to Mr. Musharraf's aides. They took note of orders from the dictator in direct contradiction to previous promises: for instead of assigning Pakistani troops to close terror camps in Kashmir, he has put all of his local forces on an advanced war footing towards the Line of Control. And Jaswant Singh, the Indian foreign minister, was able to use Mr. Musharraf's speech to make huge progress in persuading European governments of the justice of India's cause.

The standard journalistic and diplomatic cliche is that "the slightest miscalculation could lead to disaster". But Mr. Musharraf's recent behaviour represents a major miscalculation.

David Warren

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