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To: calgal who wrote (150)6/2/2002 1:32:27 AM
From: calgal  Respond to of 411
 
Indian Ambassador: Pakistan Must Stop Insurgent Support









Saturday, June 01, 2002

RALEIGH, N.C. — India is ready to talk over Kashmir and other issues with Pakistan once its rival blocks Islamic extremists from crossing over the border to wreck havoc, the Indian ambassador to the United States said.

"We are saying, 'We are prepared to have a dialogue with you and let's talk about normalization," Lalit Mansingh said Friday during a visit to North Carolina. "But dialogue and terrorism cannot go together. Pakistan has to choose."

Tensions have risen after a deadly terrorist attack on India's Parliament in December that India blamed on Pakistan-based Islamic insurgents. The conflict has grown recently as 1 million troops amass in the disputed Himalayan Kashmir region and shells kill soldiers. At least six people from both sides were killed Friday by shelling, the countries said.

India accuses Pakistan of supporting Islamic militant groups waging an insurgency in the Indian-ruled portion of Kashmir, and has demanded it stop cross-border infiltrations. Pakistan says its support for the insurgents is moral and diplomatic but not financial.

Mansingh said India is willing to talk with Pakistan but not while the threat of Muslim extremist terror remains in that country.

"It can't be done with a gun pointed to our head," he said in an interview in Raleigh.

The dispute between India and Pakistan, both of which have nuclear weapons, places the Bush administration in a delicate situation because it is closely allied with Pakistan to try to eradicate al-Qaida in Afghanistan.

Mansingh said India doesn't want war and won't fire nuclear weapons first in a dispute, he said.

"While the military option is there, that should be our very last option," he added.

Meanwhile, Mansingh said relations between the United States and India remain strong because both are committed to rooting out terrorism -- particularly al-Qaida.

The ambassador framed the two countries as fighting a common enemy in al-Qaida: India on the eastern Pakistani border and U.S. forces in Afghanistan near the west Pakistan border.

"It has not diminished our relationship, it has made it more intense," he said. "We are facing the same enemy."

The U.S. government on Friday urged the 60,000 Americans in India, including hundreds of U.S. diplomats, to leave the country because of a risk of conflict between India and Pakistan.

"Tensions have risen to serious levels and the risk of intensified military hostilities between India and Pakistan cannot be ruled out," the State Department said in its travel warning.

The embassy advisory, which is not a mandatory order to leave, said terrorist groups linked to al-Qaida have attacked and killed civilians in India.

Mansingh said Indians have never been hostile to Americans.

"I don't think the situation justifies asking Americans to leave India," he said. "I have told the State Department that this shouldn't be seen as a sign of panic because there is no such thing in India. ... There is no panic."

The ambassador's trip, prompted by contacts within the Triangle's Indian community, included visits to University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, Duke University and N.C. State University. He met with officials in Gov. Mike Easley's office as well as U.S. Reps. Bob Etheridge and David Price.

While most discussions were preliminary, Mansingh said he suggested that Easley lead a trade trip to India.

foxnews.com



To: calgal who wrote (150)6/3/2002 11:27:02 AM
From: Tadsamillionaire  Respond to of 411
 
-- Residents of this eastern Oregon ranch and timber region are a self-reliant lot. Hard winters and a depressed economy have forged hardscrabble attitudes toward outsiders and "the government."

Grant County voters passed two ballot measures last month reflecting the frustration of residents who feel they no longer control their lives, livelihoods or the land.

By about a 2-to-1 margin, residents approved a measure banning the United Nations in the county and another allowing people to cut trees on federal land, whether or not the U.S. Forest Service approves.

"We intend to push the limit, push the envelope on this," said Dave Traylor, a stocky, bearded jack-of-all-trades who helped write the measures.

Home to about 7,500 people, Grant County is a place where cowboy hats, hay farms and horse trailers are ubiquitous, where the high school teams are the "Prospectors," and the two radio stations play Christian or country music.

The county covers an area about the size of Connecticut. More than 60 percent of the land is managed by the federal government. The jobless rate, 13.5 percent, is the second-highest in Oregon. Many people have seen their logging livelihoods dribble away.

Backers of the two ballot measures blame federal timber policies and environmental restrictions that they say are keeping them off public lands that had given them jobs as loggers, mill workers and ranchers.

Supporters hope to push the Forest Service into allowing more logging. They say millions of board feet of timber could be salvaged by allowing people to cut the big ponderosa pines and firs that are hazards.

"If we could just address salvage on the dead, dying and blowdown, we could provide a lot of trees to the mills," said Traylor.

Dennis Reynolds, who as Grant County judge serves as its chief administrator, said the county government likely will endorse a plan to allow residents to cut dead, dying and wind-damaged trees on federal land.

"The question now is, what is the federal government going to do?" he said. "These people are lashing out in the only way they can. Now we have people willing to go to jail over this issue."

Roger Williams, deputy supervisor of the Malheur National Forest, which manages more than 1 million acres of forested land in the county, hopes to avoid conflict.

"We're looking into what we can do to relieve some of the pressure that led these people to put this measure on the ballot," said Williams.

It is the latest conflict to arise in the West with federal authorities.

In San Bernardino County, Calif., ranchers chafing at cattle grazing restrictions imposed to protect the threatened desert tortoise were supported recently by Sheriff Gary Penrod, who canceled an agreement that gave Bureau of Land Management officers authority to enforce state laws on federal land.

In the Klamath Basin, on the Oregon-California line, farmers and others last year had tense confrontations with the Bureau of Reclamation over its decision to give irrigation water to endangered fish rather than farmers.

Also last year, residents in northeast Nevada defied the Forest Service by attempting to rebuild a washed-out stretch of road in Elko County, work the Forest Service said would threaten the bull trout. The confrontation lasted months.

The second measure that passed in Grant County says the United Nations wants to take away people's guns, seize private property, control the education of children and establish "one world religion-Pantheism (and) world taxation."

Stacie Holmstrom, 35, a lifelong John Day resident, said the measure is too radical.

"I thought that was a real extreme idea," she said. "Grant County sometimes has that stigma anyway -- that we're 'out there' -- and this is just going to add to that."

But others in the county say they believe the allegations made by the measure. Road signs proclaiming Grant County a "UN-free zone" are going up.

"The U.N. scares me. If anything ever got bad, we could have foreigners here controlling us," said John Day painter and muralist Patricia Ross, 55.

Voters in La Terkin, Utah, next year will see a similar anti-U.N. measure on the ballot. An anti-U.N. ordinance was approved in July but repealed by a new Town Council. Organizers are hoping to revive the measure on the 2003 ballot.

William Luers, a former U.S. ambassador and now president of the United Nations Association of the USA, said the anti-U.N. sentiment is absurd.

"The United Nations absolutely has no capacity, resources or forces to take over anything in the world," Luers said.

Bud Trowbridge, whose grandfather settled in John Day in 1862, said he's ready to use force to protect his property from the United Nations.

"We're trying to avoid a fight. But we still got our guns," he said.
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