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Politics : PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: haqihana who wrote (260380)	6/2/2002 10:15:05 AM
From: MSI	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 769667

Without dissent, we're a little like Nazi Germany, all marching in lockstep off into oblivion. We're the most powerful on the planet, by an order of magnitude, and subject to the arrogance and criminality of power. We think we're superior, but that superiority will be quickly lost without dissent and vigilance. If we don't have dissidents, we'll never clean up the growth of incompetence and corruption. The more the merrier. What do we have to be afraid of? If a soldier wants to believe all is might and right with the USA, so much the better for our fighting forces who have to be absolutely prepared to make the ultimate sacrifice. But it's a mistake as civilians to idolize politicians like Bush, Clinton or anyone to the extent that reality is lost. Politically villifying dissidents is what caused Vietnam to be an even greater disaster.

To: haqihana who wrote (260380)	6/2/2002 1:27:05 PM
From: Raymond Duray	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 769667

enigma, In view of the corporate exodus to tax havens off shore, and the apparent disregard and neglect for working Americans by corporations sending all our manufacturing jobs overseas, just what is left about America to be partriotic about? The fact that CEOs can make millions, as the Enron crowd did, while their workers are financially raped? Is this what we should feel patriotic about? Or how about the reasonable speculation that the real reason we are in Afghanistan, Uzbekistan, Kazakstan, etc. has nothing to do with "liberty and democracy". That, in fact, we have strengthened the most brutal dictatorships in Central Asia because it aligns with the economic interests of corporations and has nothing to do with helping the citizens of these areas. Just what is this patriotism stuff all about? Enriching fat cats? Or spreading democracy and freedom? I think you are either completely callous or completely naive if you believe that average Americans should go along with the myth that America is attempting to spread democracy and a better life for the tyrannized populations of the world. Our so-called "patriotism" has become a hollow, hypocritical battle cry for corporate greed and imperial power. -Ray