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To: Road Walker who wrote (165646)	6/2/2002 10:42:27 PM
From: Jim McMannis	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 186894

John, from the house of Fowler, Saxon descent. RE:"It's surprising to me how the wimps that are so afraid of the terrorists are willing to give up the freedoms that many generations have won and preserved, at a much greater cost in life." I'm hardly a wimp or scared...just expect the laws of the land to be upheld. What freedom? The right to conspire, take flying lessons and head on in to the WTC? I'm yet to see how tightening up a few things at the border is taking away my rights... Jim

To: Road Walker who wrote (165646)	6/3/2002 3:54:57 AM
From: Tenchusatsu	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 186894

JF, <Do you have any clue as to the principles that this country was founded on?> So these principles are just as fragile to "encroachments by men of zeal" as skyscrapers are to planes? Personally, I think these "domino effect" theories are just plain alarmist. Tenchusatsu

To: Road Walker who wrote (165646)	6/3/2002 1:41:27 PM
From: willcousa	Respond to of 186894

The one consideration that seems to be omitted from these discussions of people's rights and our founding principles is the distinction between citizens and non-citizens and especially non-citizens who are here on a visa which limits the period of time they can be here. I can't find anything that says that just because you have both feet on our soil that you have to be accorded the full panoply of rights which are available to citizens. If being here is the key you might as well throw away immigration rules. Under the "being here" theory an invading German army in WWii would have all the rights of citizens. Absurd.