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To: epicure who wrote (48971)	6/3/2002 12:55:32 PM
From: one_less	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

...it is possible to accomplish steps 1-9 without feeling bad (imo) Of course. I was commenting, however, on E's position regarding "feeling bad." Children (most) cry when faced with consequences, when it becomes apparent that they have not acting along guidelines that will ultimately prove beneficial. Whatever path chosen as a guideline has now become incompatible with some beneficial outcome (example, parent approval). The child will adjust after crying. He/she may decide after crying that twisting susie's arm was not the most beneficial approach to obtaining the disired toy under the circumstances. And so, after giving the arm back, he/she may even feel compelled to apologize and adjust the approach to toy acquisition. This is an adjustment process that is normal in human endeavors when one recognizes that the path one had chosen does not achieve beneficial results. Especially if the chosen path has some regrettable outcomes (Not for Mary Poppins and other such exceptions). Remorse, even grief and the grieving process also help with the adjustment process. Persons who are able to handle their own regrettable circumstances and continue on as a beneficially contributing member of society are considered well adjusted. Persons who don't deal with bad circumstances well are considered socially mal-adaptive. The steps proposed, simply point out that to adjust one must have a critical self perception. One that labels attributions associated with self as beneficial or not. Beneficial as being "good," not as being "something else" ("bad" for people who are not against using the word).

To: epicure who wrote (48971)	6/3/2002 3:30:28 PM
From: Neocon	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

Psychic pain is like physical pain: it let's you know that something is wrong, and goads you to do something about it.......

To: epicure who wrote (48971)	6/3/2002 7:04:23 PM
From: Lazarus_Long	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

You do 1-9 so badly that I highly recommend adding at least a dab of feeling bad.

To: epicure who wrote (48971)	6/4/2002 7:41:16 AM
From: E	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

Adjusting your behavior makes you feel good, in some way/at some level, or you wouldn't do it. Bad feelings, or emotions, exchanged for good ones is the transaction that precipitates the adjustment. Emotions are the engines of behavior. That's how they evolved. That's rudimentary evolutionary psychology, and maybe you dismiss that category of evolutionary theory. I don't. Speaking of evolutionary psychology, I've mentioned before the book The Moral Animal, by Robert Wright. It's unfortunately titled, since it sounds stodgy and lecturish, but in fact is elegantly and flowingly written and fascinating. I can't imagine that it wouldn't be fascinating to anyone.