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Pastimes : A@P VOTE: Guilty or Innocent? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: majormember who wrote (291)	6/4/2002 11:57:26 AM
From: Captain Jack	Respond to of 717

All your opinion vs that of all others. IMO if proven guilty 65 years is not long enough..

To: majormember who wrote (291)	6/4/2002 12:46:30 PM
From: PartyTime	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 717

Hi Skane! America has five to six percent of the world's population, however of the world's population which is incarcerated our nation incarcerates 25 percent of 'em. We've even gotten to a point where some of the prison industry is trading publicly in the market. Yet, still, we pride ourselves on liberty and justice for all. No doubt, America's local, state and national politicians have for too long gotten a free ride when it comes to the drug war, and that's how many of those in our jails got there. The impact on minority communities has been and continues severe. Meanwhile, none of the above really mattered much because America's financial markets have been the strongest in the world and nobody, except a handful of 'lefties' really complained a whole lot. Skane, I can't get over my sympathies for those who've had their drug problems treated criminally instead of medically, never mind a world renown shorter whose track record is replete with wrecking havoc in all kinds of ways. And going after the bad guys only for positional advantage is sorta like the anti-drug politicians. The white collar crowd never really showed much, if any, compassion for poor folk who've had drug problems and who didn't have sufficient monetary resources and culture to hide their problems or get treatment. And today we see a parade of executives now appearing before the courts and congressional committees. What Elgindy did, certainly from the manner of the charges, at a minimum, seemed sufficiently suspicious enough for him to get charged, especially in light of the unique positioning of his alleged accomplices. Whether he comes from his trial innocent or guilty all comes down to what he did or what they may have done together or what they didn't do or what just some of 'em might have done. Right now there appears a pattern of behavior too strong for authorities to look the other way, which often has been done for the rich and powerful. "The times they are a changin'!" I agree with most that he's innocent until proven guilty. But that doesn't mean there can't be a substnative discussion about the matter. Anyway, that's my two cents!

To: majormember who wrote (291)	6/4/2002 1:35:01 PM
From: rrufff	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 717

Although I believe that one is innocent until proven guilty, the pattern of behavior alleged in the complaint seems to be a logical extension of the type of activities practices by the Enterprise associates over the past few years. They had the protection of the greatest bear market in perhaps half a century. They went after other manipulators and bloated management companies. It is apparent to many that their success was often as a result of leaked information. There was no other way of explaining how they would have information that was always ahead of the market. It was a scheme that some of the associates are condoning as ends justifying the means. In my opinion, bribery, extortion, insider trading, fraud, manipulation, can never be justified even when it is directed against those the perpetrators feel are evil.