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To: Dan3 who wrote (165745)6/4/2002 1:49:27 PM
From: fingolfen  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 186894
 
Too true. Since Intel is years away from having a "cutting edge" (SOI) process technology, it will be up to AMD, UMC, IBM, and Motorola to fill that huge, empty, void.

Still the optimist, aye Dan? I haven't seen any AMD SOI chips at a competitive frequency at this point either. Also, remember that SOI isn't an "uber high tech panacea." There are trade offs. AMD needed to go to SOI because they'd pushed gate lengths to the lithographic breaking point in order to remain competitive.

I remember bringing up this point on numerous occasions. All the while you (and other like minded individuals) preached the sermon that "AMD would beat Intel to 0.13 because they'd moved to copper and would have an easier time of it." Here we are now. Intel's 0.13 micron bulk process makes AMD's 0.13 micron bulk process look like a joke. AMD needs a 0.13 micron SOI process JUST TO KEEP UP! The reality is, however, Intel's been shipping product on 0.13 micron for over a year.

Bottom line in process technology: You don't move to a more expensive option when you don't have to. SOI is more expensive in terms of wafer cost, redesign, and potential yield loss. If you can get the same performance boost from other process optimization, you don't migrate to a new technology. Semiconductor fabrication isn't about "who has the most bells and whistles", it's about "who has the best transistor switching speed and yield." Right now Intel has a substantial advantage over AMD. AMD's 0.13 micron SOI may redress that imbalance, but then it's not due out in volume until Q1 of NEXT year... which may be too little too late if you believe the Q303 launch of Intel's 90nm process.



To: Dan3 who wrote (165745)6/4/2002 2:59:44 PM
From: Monica Detwiler  Respond to of 186894
 
Dan, this is really, really precious: Since Intel is years away from having a "cutting edge" (SOI) process technology

With AMD's 800 MHz SOI CrawlHammer, it appears that AMD is also YEARS AWAY from having a "cutting edge" (SOI) process technology.
Monica