To: Gottfried who wrote (3416 ) 6/5/2002 3:33:30 PM From: Kirk © Respond to of 95632 Good Comments:If these statments are based on anecdotal observations around SI, then we need to acknowledge that the 'weak hands' have left long ago. Only survivors are left and they are certainly not complacent. Most seem to day trade, even if they didn't two years ago. Disinterest? Anecdotal again: some of my neighbors are just scared to invest now. But I don't know how to quantify that. I'm saying far too many talk about complacency and disinterest without any measurable backup. Their observations may be true, but are nearly useless because you cannot project how much complacency or disinterest is too much. We're better off talking about P/C ratios and such. Those can be measured. We have to remember that all those saying "we won't have a bottom until [fill in event, TA, Explosion, P/E level, etc.] happens" are probably short or just sitting on the sidelines waiting and hoping for the market to go lower and then a bell will ring for them to get back in. We have to remember that they are probably just as clueless about when a bottom will occur as the raging, Johnny come late to the punch bowl, bulls were at the very top. As to what the CEO's have to say.. Like Intel and HPQ the last two days... Hell, Carly was promising 20% growth at the top when I worked there for 20 yrs and thought any year with 15% revenue growth was great. Chambers of Cisco was saying 30% to 50% growth from where he sat at the bubble peak. Their ability to "predict the future" is next to useless and we should remember this when they speak. When they tell us what they are doing to compete at current business conditions...then I listen. I also listen to what they are investing in and where the R&D dollars are going. No R&D dollars and I don't invest. [rant of] Kirk As to CEO