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To: paul_philp who wrote (31612)	6/5/2002 9:46:39 PM
From: LTK007	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

p-philip said<<I sometimes think that Nadine is catholic because she is on a perpetual mission to find the original sin.>> Nadine can search from here to the Big Bang, she can never find an original sin upon one of these two warring human groupings; the Palestinians and Hebrews. By the way, as i am sure you already know, that if Jesus was confronted with the Roman Catholic doctrine of Original Sin he would be both shocked and enraged, The actual doctrine of Original Sin did not exist in this world until it had sprung out of the mind of Augustine of Hippo. I call the Catholic Church, the Church of Augustine. Max

To: paul_philp who wrote (31612)	6/5/2002 10:26:14 PM
From: Nadine Carroll	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

There is no justification for the war outside of two sides fighting for self-interest. Any attempt to provide such a justification is simply post-facto packaging and simply part of tactics of war. Would you have said the same about WWII? There too, the ideology of each side told them it was in their best interests to fight.

To: paul_philp who wrote (31612)	6/6/2002 9:39:42 AM
From: carranza2	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

There is no justification for the war outside of two sides fighting for self-interest. Of course. Your point is obvious. To protect vital national interests is the only reason why any nation should engage in hostilities against another. In judging the morality and rightness or wrongness of any side's actions, one must look at the interests each side perceives to be at stake. From the Israeli side, it is clearly self-preservation. It is established, in my view, that the vast majority of its enemies, including Arafat, desire its elimination as an entity. The Palestinians, on the other hand, are fighting for rights which are de minimis in scope when compared to the reasons why the Israelis fight. In my view, the Israelis would allow a Palestinian State next to it if it had any guarantees that the terrorism would stop. The PA's continued terrorism is therefore ultimately irrational and self-destructive. This truth will, I hope, sink in soon enough. I hope it happens before a more widespread conflagration hurts the Palestinians in a very serious way.