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To: Hawkmoon who wrote (31752)	6/7/2002 12:19:40 AM
From: Bilow	Respond to of 281500

Hi Hawkmoon; Re: "I also bemoan the loss of the Crusader system." Yes, I agree too: #reply-17454908 (May 11) My feeling is that this is a case of Rumsfeld fighting the "last war" (i.e. against terrorism) instead of keeping the military prepared for a future that may bring a far far worse war. If you look back in history, the really bad conflicts are the ones dominated by artillery (in terms of casualties), and of those ones, there is never enough of it at the beginning. If all we have to put up with is the Afghanistans of the world we're in clover, as far as the military goes. The problem is the other major advanced nations. -- Carl P.S. How many tens of thousands US dead in Vietnam and Korea? I'll bet that even those brush fire wars were mostly artillery. That was the experience even of the Russians in Afghanistan.

To: Hawkmoon who wrote (31752)	6/7/2002 12:32:57 AM
From: LindyBill	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

I also bemoan the loss of the Crusader system We need artillery, Hawk, but not a 100 ton unit, transportable one at a time to hardened Euro type airfields. The Brits used to go into Afganistan with "pack" artillery, and that was about the size needed this time. (They got their butts kicked, as did the Russians, but that is another story.) I was in a support unit for the 280mm Atomic Cannon in Europe in 1955, and the Army ran their whole Euro operation around that damn thing. It had a transporter on each end, and the troops used to run it down the Autobahn at 65 miles an hour, with the back unit over in the next lane so that they could see ahead. They would get them stuck on manuvers, and take a week to dig out.