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To: davemarkun who wrote (86575)	6/7/2002 1:12:33 AM
From: Richnorth	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 116906

I challenge you to bring out the posts you deem so offensive/dangerous. It seems that others' opinions will have to jive with yours or else they are offensive/dangerous or even worthless. Come on, bring them out, the clock is ticking! It's no good making sweeping and general statements. If you can't bring them out, shut up and put up! Or just simply scram, vamoose, and be gone! BTW, my name is Richnorth, not Dick! Nor is Charters' name Ernie. He is Eric.

To: davemarkun who wrote (86575)	6/7/2002 6:31:20 AM
From: E. Charters	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 116906

I don't think the problems in the world stem entirely from race, or from dicatorial narrow minded individuals, nor from people's ability to make better weapons, or even from their uncanny ability to misunderstand wilfully, or paranoia. I think it stems from their lack of ability to look at themselves truthfully. There can't be just two types of people in this world, i.e. people who support dave markun's opinions wholeheartedly and will join his army of retribution, and on the other side some filthy despicable diseased racists. If that is the only way to take the moral high ground, to call the "other side" out on hot button issues, then it is a slim peak indeed. Why are you afraid of sliding down it? Is every one who is not in favour of West Bank settlement deserving of your diatribe? Does an internet search on posts with buzzwords justify your smear tactics? Do you know how to do any other form of argument? Some people in you camp might apologize for your attack dog style in that you are a loyal bomb loader for their camp. I think they should think again. No matter what your political cant, or who your enemies are, someday you have to sign a peace treaty. You have to think of what basis you will sign it on. Most think they can fight the enemy to a stand still and then make them sign on the dotted line and that is that. So tell me since everything in your line of thinking boils down to being able to call Ukranians beer guzzling slobs, because in your world, they are responsible for some wartime killing of civilians (who wasn't?) -- then who is the racist group in the Pakistan-India conflict? The Pakistanis? The Indians? Let's not say its both sides! Come on. It has to be one or the other. Ok, if you can't see who is wrong there, then who more religiously intolerant, or too hegemonistic? Well, we want answers. Who is the bad guy! Get out your paint brush and start with the broad strokes. It's easy to see. Who is the more racist, the Hutu or the Tutsi? Why? Who is more racist, Arab or Israeli? I want to know!

To: davemarkun who wrote (86575)	6/7/2002 9:04:50 AM
From: John Soileau	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 116906

Um, Dave, she said: "You provide essentially no evidence to support your claims, on the rare instances when you do make a claim. You dehumanize others by claiming that they are mentally ill. Rather than argue a point, you question the mental health of your opponent. Rather than argue a point, you make up statements, group memberships, thoughts, etc. and attribute these to your opponent. You are contemptuous of all who disagree with you." You would be much more effective in making your points if you STOP DOING THIS. The endless ad hominem argumentation (with a strange psychoanalytic cant) and the subject-changing dodges sap all of the lifeblood out of your efforts here. The problem certainly isn't with rebuttal of the racist or stupid remarks which abound on this thread, it's that the method you've chosen to rebut them is ineffective and (far worse) BORING. Got that? John