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To: Maurice Winn who wrote (19519)	6/7/2002 10:08:39 PM
From: Box-By-The-Riviera™	Respond to of 74559

get back to me on LOR, okay? <g>

To: Maurice Winn who wrote (19519)	6/7/2002 10:15:40 PM
From: marek_wojna	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 74559

<< Globalisation is good. Whining by American programmers that others get paid less and get the jobs and that Americans have some sacred right to get more money is pathetic. I don't see why I should pay high rates to whining Americans when I can hire perfectly pleasant Indians, Chinese and others for a fraction of the price>> No wonder US$ is doomed, first US contracted out most of manufacturing, then created Internet which will help to import not only computer programs but engineering, architectural, all kinds of intellectual properties. In the meantime as the hardship in US will grow spending on internal security will be proportional. Golden opportunities for smart individuals and co's. So far is all tax free.

To: Maurice Winn who wrote (19519)	6/7/2002 11:42:56 PM
From: Cogito Ergo Sum	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 74559

Hi Maurice, *Whining by American programmers ?* LOL...That's hardly the point now is it. It's more about a *massive redistribution of wealth and privilege* from the developed world to the rest of mankind. It won't be just programmers crying soon. Of course people are scared and angry. At the end of the game (unless we come up with a mandatory altruism pill) I think wealth concentration will be far worse than today. Of course I'm speaking from the 'priviliged' point of view and I'm relatively prepared. (I hope). Technologically induced productivity enhancements (wow what a mouthful) are already making people redundant here. Hey, this cowboy coder can already do the work of half a dozen or more 80's vintage programmers of which I am one. Interestingly I make much better coin designing and consulting ....any yahoo can (well almost) sling code with a good spec. As an aside there are sooo many ads here for IT job courses and training (not cheap) a la.. Database managers, Network specialists, programmers.... Where will they all go ? What will they all do ? Beats me... Mind you I'm making no value judgements here, I'm too busy making like a boyscout....be prepared. regards Kastel a Cute and Cuddly Canadian cowboy coder.... BTW there is one type of KIWI wine available in my neck of the woods. It's cheap and my wife loves it ;0). Some globalisation is good ;o)

To: Maurice Winn who wrote (19519)	6/8/2002 4:36:01 PM
From: Snowshoe	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 74559

Maurice, The comments by the guy who started Rent-A-Coder were a real eye-opener. If I were a young person in the USA starting my career today, I think the competition would scare me away from being a programmer. OTOH, with 25 years of experience in this business I don't feel very threatened. As a consultant I had a situation several years ago where I was asked to coach an Indian programmer brought in for a six-month assignment. But I had to recommend his termination after four days because of his poor English ability and mismatched skill set. As a result we postponed the project for several months and then I did it myself. Later one of my colleagues hired several Indian programmers and they worked out alright. My conclusion from this limited experience was that these fellows did better when: a) they worked with more modern systems rather than legacy systems, and b) they were assigned mainly to programming duties rather than design and analysis. In fact, when it came time cut some overhead a couple of USA guys got the boot and these guys were kept. The dirty little secret is that a lot of US programmers aren't very good at what they do. There is a significant lack of professional standards in this business, and you have to really shop around to find good programmers. A lot of the foreign programmers aren't that good either, but at least by increasing the pool of available talent we increase our chances of finding people who can do the job.