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To: greenspirit who wrote (262091)6/8/2002 11:25:53 AM
From: Mr. Whist  Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 769670
 
Cummings: Your post that I'm linking from contains some intelligent analysis for a change. From time to time you actually exhibit erudite thinking ... when you're not posting Chelsea-bashing articles from newsmaxcrap.com.

I think you're right on the money with your last two paragraphs ... that perhaps the high court was wrong to even take up some of these so-called cultural issues ... and that we simply can't turn back the clock and expect a return to "Leave it to Beaver" circa 1956.

As I opined the other day, ALL forms of malfeasance have a negative impact on the moral fabric of America. So if you're going to (justifiably) complain about Larry Flynt, Hugh Hefner and the rise of Internet pornography, let us also not forget how Richard Nixon, Kenneth Lay, and Kent State damaged the American psyche. There are many forms of "obscenity," and the most dangerous types are non-sexual.



To: greenspirit who wrote (262091)6/8/2002 4:46:40 PM
From: MSI  Respond to of 769670
 
Three real winners, to be sure<gg>. But, there have been such sociopaths before throughout our history. For that reason, and due to other events beginning in the late 50's-early 60's, I'm primarily suspicious of covert media influences and educational trends.

"...an entire race that lives for the state"
That's national socialism exactly as the nazis preached.
Whether these individuals were planted, or just arose and were chosen by the media for attention, doesn't matter, it is the media that tells us who we are, and shapes future generations of opinion, and it is the media I do not trust to be free of covert influence. How was she so heavily promoted? Was it public demand? I don't think so.

We are the playground for covert influences from foreign and domestic sources. Speaking just of nazis for a moment, in "the beast reawakens", the author estimated 20,000 unrepentant Nazis immigrated to the US and USSR to work in the intelligence services, many under the Galen Group, with moles on each side, whose goal was to foment tension between US and USSR for their own benefit, as well as the hope for the rise of the Reich again. Galen ran the spy apparatus and worked with Goebbles as an expert in what is now called psy-ops, managing the media and public opinion. He was warmly embraced by Dulles and our CIA for decades. His entire apparatus was at the disposal of Dulles & Co, supposedly.

When you then follow some of the efforts surfacing in the 80's and 90's on our own intel services, you wonder whose side they are on. Their own, obviously. Last week, the Newsweek reported that it was unclear who the CIA thought the enemy was, sometimes the FBI. Then you have the stated FBI goal of following public figures like ML King around to look for communists, but get assassinated instead. Sure, you get some nut-case conspiracy theorists, but even the extreme ones, like this image-analyst
ratical.org
, come up with interesting data (forget the theories, just look at the data), which looks fomented at heart by the output emanating from $billions going to unrepentent intel services that answer to no one.

It's all good for business... if you're in the military spook business of subverting a society and militarizing the planet and central control. It isn't a philosphical issue, it's the practical one that Hitler used - make the German corporations rich, and control the media. Finito, you're done, go make war or do whatever you wish, the people will submit.

Degradation of our American values must be looked at carefully, wary of scapegoating (which you can well say I've just done above with the post-WWII groups and CIA).

But to start with, who are those in this country with even a modicum of virtue, who sincerely consider their ideas and are worthy of listening to? Who are those untainted by CIA connections? I don't trust any of these bastards, frankly, even tho' there are no doubt honest individuals in the media with such connections, it stinks.

Looking at who sponsors media channels and pundits is another clue.

Looking at pictures in the daily papers is another clue.

The same story can be spun 180-degrees just by the picture chosen, as in this morning's paper on famine in Ruwanda, showing a distended-belly toddler on his haunches in a posture that looked like an animal, not a human. There are many other pictures to show such famine, and this one clearly did not look human.

Education of the populace is the long-term protection against totalitarianism. Ruling groups know that the educated are hard to control.

Bottom line: read everything, question everything

Living well is the best revenge. I tell my kids when we get into these discussions, regardless of ill-motivated corrupted politicians, legal system and businesspeople, a strong and loving family, oriented towards broad education and ethical standards, will beat the bastards every time. In civic life find honest ethical people who are optimistic about the future, and work with them.

This isn't responding specifically to the religious issue, and "animal sameness" that O'Hair the fascist describes, I'll try to respond to that another time. Those that respond to the "better angels of our nature" are worthy of respect, if you wish a worthwhile life