To: Rambi who wrote (49632 ) 6/8/2002 3:53:18 PM From: E Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 82486 I agree with you, as usual. And there's an issue I didn't go into because it's kind of old news, and a feminist cliche, but I think it's real, so before we leave this subject, which I consider a sad one, I'll mention it. First, though, yes, those 'extreme' things are out there, and out there free; I know this because i've never paid for any, and have seen everything I've mentioned except 'golden showers,' and that i've read about as being available on the net. Okay, the cliche, a cliche in the category of cliche-because-true: One problem with young children, children 7 or 9 or 11 -- and even with teen agers, being exposed, and predictably that will be in many cases, to even 'main stream' kinds of pornography is that... it furnishes their erotic minds with certain kinds of imagery and triggers and expectations. This is so obvious I hesitate to say it, but what the hell: Average little girls and average teenagers will inevitably learn to expect, or hope, their bodies will some-day-and-forever-look like those 'enhanced' bodies that are so excitingly presented to them as maximally desirable. Little sexually-developing boys will inevitably learn to expect, and hope, that their real life sexual partners will look like the 'enhanced' images they're getting aroused by in their formative years. That the unrealistic 'models' are ever-present is an unfortunate but unavoidable fact of life; in a mild form, they're on Ally McBeal and in eroticized commercials and on music videos (don't get me started on those, for children)... ...to expand the submersion to the point that these unrealistic images, naked and writhing, become directly associated with not only self-approval, but with sought sexual arousal and with sexual acts and orgasm seems... not what good parents would want for their daughter or son's developing sexual psyches and ongoing personal lives.