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To: jcky who wrote (32051)	6/10/2002 10:27:10 AM
From: Zeev Hed	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

I think that the vision of a "greater Israel" is the natural response to the Palestinian vision of a "Greater Palestine". There is an old biblical dictum "Haba lehorgecha, haskem lehorgo", if someone declares he'll kill you, preempt him. Do you think that Israel's preemptive strike against the nuclear facilities of Iraq in 1981 was justifiable? Is that not exactly what we are seeking to do today at a much higher cost of civilian lives. There were no civilian casualties in the Israeli strike, a pure clean surgical preemptive operation, of course, condemned by the "enlightened world" in public, but lauded in private. That is what I call hypocrisy, and that is why the "opinion" of the rest of the world, while important, to the Israeli, is far from a paramount consideration. Their point of view is quite Shakespearian "Pox on both your houses" (g). Zeev

To: jcky who wrote (32051)	6/10/2002 12:37:37 PM
From: Nadine Carroll	Respond to of 281500

This is not an existential war. Now, in your mind you might think so but the facts state otherwise. This is war for security by Israel. I think you're wrong, furthermore you are ignoring a great many 'facts' to say so. To the West the Pals say they 'only' want the end of occupation. If this were so, it would be as you say. But if it is so, why did they spurn an offer for net 97% of the territories without a counter? If this is so, why does the PLO now say the 'right of return' is more important than statehood? If this is so, why do Hamas, Hizbullah and PIJ say that they will keep fighting until all of "occupied Palestine" is liberated? If this is so, why have all the Pals adopted the suicide-bombing program of the Islamists? I put it to you that the Pals are not really interested in a state next to Israel, they think they can get one instead of Israel. This makes in an existential struggle. It also makes it a huge mistake to give them a state at this point in time, because they will only use it to keep fighting, as Hizbullah is doing in Lebanon. And if that happened, I know better to expect that anybody in the West would say, "oops sorry, Israel, looks like they didn't just want an end to occuption."