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To: TimF who wrote (14590)6/10/2002 1:35:19 PM
From: jttmab  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 21057
 
Until the house, or stock, or land, or whatever is actually sold there is no actual realized profit. I don't think phantom paper profits should be taxed. I don't even consider it "wealth acquired through tax deferred mechanisms". The wealth was acquired through the normal operation of the stock or housing or whatever markets and since wealth is not taxed there is no deferral. A deferral would be when an actual realized profit is made but for some reason the tax consequences are delayed.

I should not have used the phrase 'tax deferred'; you're correct. What I should have used was 'tax advantaged'. That corrects the terminology, but doesn't affect our disagreement. I think we understand each other on the points though and we should leave this one as a 'respectfully disagree'.

But a flatter simpler tax system would be fairer in my opinion and would be more efficient at raising revenue with less distortion of the economy and less intrusiveness in to people's lives. It would also probably result in lower compliance costs.

"Fairer" is in the eyes of the beholder, but I'd agree with the remainder.

It would be more equitable and it would create a greater possibility of more people accumulating wealth.

The last half I would not agree with. If you consider the dispersion of income/wealth in the current tax system, I think you'll find that the upper end of the income spectrum is increasing at a higher rate then the middle or lower income. It doesn't seem logical that a reallocation of tax burden from the higher end, to the middle or low end would result in those groups having greater wealth accumulation. [assuming a revenue neutral change].

I think the problem of lower income people not being able to afford to pay an equal tax rate could be covered by the combination of a larger personal exemption, and a reduction in the size of government which would enable lower tax rates.

Your first suggestion shifts the tax burden back toward the upper end in a linear fashion. The second suggestion...well, here you have a Republican Administration with a Republican House and the Administration is pumping up the size of government like there's no tomorrow. House and Senate members believe that pork is the answer to all election problems. Who is it that you think is going to reduce the size of government? Heard any members of Congress complain that the Balanced Budget Amendment is a legislative obstacle in funding government operations? If people aren't convinced that the BBA was smoke and mirrors, there's no helping them now. Social Security lock box, smoke and mirrors.

Tax simplification. I'm not aware of anyone that doesn't want tax simplification. I can't recall a member of Congress in the last 30 years that hasn't wanted tax simplification. And the members of Congress and the Adminstrations over those three decades [it's likely longer than that, I just don't remember farther back than three decades] keep on adding code and tweaking, sometimes big tweaks, some times little tweaks. I still keep skipping over that line that talks about 'oil depletion allowances', etc. I keep wondering why it is that we want to encourage investing in foreign owned companies by having the tax payers pay foreign taxes [sic, foreign tax credits]....etc.

Call me a cynic, my wife does, but I don't believe that the fine members of Congress [or Administration] in any decade really ever wanted to simplify the tax code. The tax code represents a powerful tool for politicians to either represent their district [above and beyond pork] or reward their contributors.

jttmab