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Politics : Sharks in the Septic Tank -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Lane3 who wrote (50276)	6/10/2002 10:29:37 PM
From: E	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 82486

I wish that when people have questions or reservations about what I'm doing they'd just ask. I usually have a rationale for what I do and I can usually explain it. I'm glad I asked. That was interesting and explanatory. I correct this about loyalty "versus" principle-driven frameworks: I am a good friend, to friends, that's true. But the implication that you can't be a good friend and also a person of principle, if you are implying that, is inaccurate with regard to me and I think is inaccurate with regard to most unsimple people. I don't assume you were saying that was the case wrt me, but lest it be misunderstood: Any friend you have seen me defend here has imo been right on the principle. And I point out that it has been revealed here, not by me, that for a long time I was CH's partisan in trying to work out a non-ban, though he is not my friend in any way, as a matter of principle, if my friend could at the same time be protected from him. So: I think the notion that the world is divided into the loyal and the principled is silly, in short. People are more complicated than that. And the woods are full of people X used to "accept" and have good "relationships" with but to whom she is now hateful. I'd suggest you not be too secure about "she accepts me as I am and I accept her as she is. That's relationship 101." I appreciate the time and thought you gave to that post.

To: Lane3 who wrote (50276)	6/10/2002 11:13:18 PM
From: one_less	Respond to of 82486

"I have a clip file containing thirteen snide comments from Jewel during the course of our most recent discussion that I did not bother to argue or correct. LOL...That was quite a disclosure. Oh wow, or So what. I'm really not sure what to think of that...are you sure its thirteen episodes of snide comments, now it could be witty sarcasms, then again what about cleaver phrasing, or creative comment, or enthusiastic verbiage, or spurious choices of wording, or arguably not the best choice of wording, or wording that is loaded with personal barbs, or wording that is unworthy of the involved participants...etc. The tags you apply couldn't possibly be tainted by your bias could they? It certainly couldn't be that I am not your favorite person so's you'd be making the same effort on every poster's behalf around here. Probably just a time limitation or something. Well, I am kind of flattered any way. I have confidence that my topical discussion has been focused on advancing understanding and my topical points of view and that I have employed some or all of the above to help to shed light on an idea or emphasis toward my point of view. My discussions with you or others on fair/unfair treatment and thread manners have been entirely personal (What else should they be?). Make of my style of communication what you want. I think I can defend it honestly as an ethical approach. Where apologies are warranted they would also be forth comming. Where a "So what" is warranted, I will not hesitate either. Very interesting.

To: Lane3 who wrote (50276)	6/10/2002 11:32:40 PM
From: one_less	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

Couldn't have said it better myself. I even agree with most of your biased comments .... perceive me as biased…. I think that X is a welcome addition she is smart, knowledgeable, articulate, and has some unusual points of view she adds to the color and texture of the debate. …means favoritism I was sponsoring her I naturally was her advocate I was hoping to persuade them to take it so that I can have discussions with you and X and others She accepts me as I am and I accept her as she is. You left out why you are not only silent in specific and personal cases but also bolster those specific persons when they are on a "tear" by having light hearted chats on the side enroute. Don't believe you missed a drum beat on my behalf in the last few months. But that is in the other direction. What's the opposite of favoritism? Is it still favoritism only with negative reinforcement?