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To: JohnM who wrote (32151)	6/12/2002 12:30:14 AM
From: Nadine Carroll	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

I confess to giving up on Barak's argument when he made those objectionable claims about Arab culture--as a culture of lies. After that, as I read, I kept that in mind You took that as an insult? I'm not surprised. That's not what Barak said, anyway. He said Truth is an irrelevant category, there is only that which upholds your side, and that which lets your side down. They're not "lying" as we would consider it, because they don't think in those terms. A lot of truth in that, in a shame society where group loyalties are the strongest social driver. You must really read Patai sometime. There is a typical dilemma in Western ethics -- stick with your buddies vs. tell the truth to the authorities. I don't think it's a dilemma in Arab society. Certain Arafat and his spokesmen all lie like breathing, not even concerned for plausibility in any normal sense. If you notice how little concern there is for credibility, you may clue in that whatever is going on is not the same as American politicial lying. and tells the right he offered less than any previous right government. Where did they say that? They never contested the actual offer, just argued all around the edges of it. Another thing that will stick with me is Peres' comment about Barak that he is trying to ideologize his failure While Peres prefers to remain delusional about his. Good thing Arik knows how to keep Shimon in the tent, pissing out.

To: JohnM who wrote (32151)	6/12/2002 6:34:00 AM
From: LindyBill	Respond to of 281500

If you wonder why we have trouble at times in understanding the "Guardian's" position on issues, maybe this story will help explain the British to us: Daily Brickbat Absurd news bites, served fresh every day. By Charles Oliver So Sorry (6/12) In England, police asked the widow of a murdered teacher to apologize to the young man who killed her husband . Frances Lawrence was telephoned by a probation officer after Learco Chindamo claimed he had been offended when she criticized his lack of remorse in a television interview.