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To: John who wrote (172807)	6/14/2002 1:48:17 PM
From: JBTFD	Respond to of 436258

Did you guys see this? Message 17600791

To: John who wrote (172807)	6/14/2002 1:51:01 PM
From: Bert	Respond to of 436258

Try reading "Brave New World Revisited"...his follow up to BNW...scary stuff.. Bert

To: John who wrote (172807)	6/14/2002 2:19:25 PM
From: maceng2	Respond to of 436258

20 or 30 years ago, there would have been open rebellion and outrage. You need to read some history dood. The folks were so wealthy back then they had nothing to rebel against except Vietnam. Now there are a lot of "not so wealthy" people wondering what the hell is going on. The TV news is being played...but hungry (read intelligent) eyes are watching it. Those 60's 70's & 80's deadbeats will look like garden party versions of the real thing that is now emerging imho. Take a look a little further back in history...

To: John who wrote (172807)	6/14/2002 2:27:43 PM
From: benwood	Respond to of 436258

In Seattle, if you want to take your car on a ferry, you may be approached by a State Patrolman who will ask you to sign a waiver for a voluntary car search. If you refuse, the ferry captain will escort you and your car off the dock.

To: John who wrote (172807)	6/14/2002 3:20:04 PM
From: Oblomov	Respond to of 436258

I agree -ng- --------------------------------------- Our sardine fishermen work at night in the dark of the moon; daylight or moonlight They could not tell where to spread the net, unable to see the phosphorescence of the shoals of fish. They work northward from Monterey, coasting Santa Cruz; off New Year's Point or off Pigeon Point The look-out man will see some lakes of milk-color light on the sea's night-purple; he points and the helmsman Turns the dark prow, the motorboat circles the gleaming shoal and drifts out her seine-net. They close the circle And purse the bottom of the net, then with great labor haul it in. I cannot tell you How beautiful the scene is, and a little terrible, then, when the crowded fish Know they are caught, and wildly beat from one wall to the other of their closing destiny the phosphorescent Water to a pool of flame, each beautiful slender body sheeted with flame, like a live rocket A comet's tail wake of clear yellow flame; while outside the narrowing Floats and cordage of the net great sea-lions come up to watch, sighing in the dark; the vast walls of night Stand erect to the stars. Lately I was looking from a night mountain-top On a wide city, the colored splendor, galaxies of light: how could I help but recall the seine-net Gathering the luminous fish? I cannot tell you how beautiful the city appeared, and a little terrible. I thought, We have geared the machines and locked all together into interdependence; we have built the great cities; now There is no escape. We have gathered vast populations incapable of free survival, insulated From the strong earth, each person in himself helpless, on all dependent. The circle is closed, and the net Is being hauled in. They hardly feel the cords drawing, yet they shine already. The inevitable mass-disasters Will not come in our time nor in our children's, but we and our children Must watch the net draw narrower, government take all powers -or revolution, and the new government Take more than all, add to kept bodies kept souls- or anarchy, the mass-disasters. These things are Progress; Do you marvel our verse is troubled or frowning, while it keeps its reason? Or it lets go, lets the mood flow In the manner of the recent young men into mere hysteria, splin- tered gleams, crackled laughter. But they are quite wrong. There is no reason for amazement: surely one always knew that cultures decay, and life's end is death. "The Purse-Seine", by Robinson Jeffers

To: John who wrote (172807)	6/14/2002 7:41:38 PM
From: Tom M	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 436258

<There is NO sense of shock as your rights, freedoms, and privacy slowly slip away. 20 or 30 years ago, there would have been open rebellion and outrage. Now the public behaves like conquered, sedated sheep.> I'd have to say that's the perception the monopolized media propagandists have been working so hard on - let you think you're the only one pissed, everyone else stayed with the "index" and is doing just fine thank you very much. (well they'll have to use the Dow and avoid the Naz <g>). Can't imagine there's many who care what Brokaw/Jennings/Rather's have to say after the realization that they have been suppressing what's been going on for so many years and covering only their desired "bias". Hey, even "who wants to be a millionaire"-Regis realized he was being used and publicly denounced "the dark side". I was saddened to see Katie Couric re-up, but who can refuse $14M. She actually put Rubin on the spot live a few years ago and had him blinking like crazy when she asked "and what happens if the stock market goes to hell in a hand basket?" Just give in and go on Prozac - you will be assimilated <g>. btw, what shape do you think the indexes/major-propaganda-tool would be in if they weren't constantly changed to dump losers? Would probably look like the average person's brokerage statement. They aren't buying this bull anymore, it's hit them where it hurts. To paraphrase Twain, "reports of the Death of Outrage have been greatly exaggerated" <g>. regards, Tom