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Politics : Sharks in the Septic Tank -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: epicure who wrote (51210)	6/17/2002 12:44:21 PM
From: J. C. Dithers	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

The TOU are impossibly vague and subjective ... What do words like "harassing, abusive, threatening, harmful, vulgar, or improper" mean to hundreds of thousands of different people from all walks of life? SI has done the best they can to get the idea across ... hey, guys, try to be nice to each other, ok? To expect some SI administrator to adjudicate every instance of a difference of opinion about what is "improper" is so impossible as to be ludicrous in the extreme. By any reasonable standard of common sense, SI can only act in cases where the offense is clear, unambiguous, and egregious. (And we can spend the rest of the week arguing among ourselves as to what those words mean). What it boils down to is that we are on our own here, as we have to be. I agree with you that if some folks want to hammer our contracts among themselves, fine, but they should leave the rest of us out of it. Moreover, contracts have to be mutual, an no one can insist upon having a contract with another poster who doesn't want one. Why should SI be different from any other community, like the towns we live in, where one person's right to block another's freedom of speech are subject to an extremely high bar?

To: epicure who wrote (51210)	6/17/2002 12:53:00 PM
From: E	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 82486

That's all very interesting, your personal views of toorabouts vs. getting people kicked off. My experience of one was so straightforward and problem-free, I have a different view of that mechanism. And there is something I don't like about getting other people kicked off; I personally have never asked that anyone be kicked off, including my toorabout partner, including CH. They each have friends who enjoy posting with them and I have this kind soft spot in my heart for the First Amendment and all, it just rubs me the wrong way to shut someone up entirely because they are, for example, making up harassing, improper lies about one person or another in violation of the TOU. I'm so tempted to post examples of violations of the TOU I know to have been reported by others and to have been ignored by SI Jeff, but I guess we all know them, and I have too much work to do. And...does lawsuit ring a bell? In 1997 I was suspended for several days for calling a fellow poster "petty." It was a violation of the TOU, according to SI Jill. The TOU now are the equivalent of change behind the sofa cushions in I Remember Mama. There's would be a bit of money there, but it's not a bank account.