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To: Thomas M. who wrote (1851)6/17/2002 10:31:50 PM
From: IN_GOD_I_TRUST  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 2926
 
Thomas,

You are hilarious!!! LOL!!!

Illustrate the position of the Muslims from the late 1800's until current day stating they will acknowledge Israel as a nation. Please show us Muslim maps, the Palestinian charter, or any documentation or proof that will show the Muslims willing to acknowledge Israel as a nation.

I am sure you believe that if the Muslim world says they will acknowledge Israel as a nation, they will. I'm sure you don't think of it as a means to an end, to maybe do so in order to eventually annihilate Israel, with this just being the first step. I mean, poor and peaceful Arafat (the PLO) who has never partaken in any violence or has been responsible for any, is very trust worthy and should be believed, right? In fact, I am sure you believe the Muslims would never lie to the Jews or do something deceptive, even if it is offering a temporary acknowledgement of Israel, as step one of a total annihilation process?

Read the book, A Durable Peace - Israel and Its Place Among Nations, and then tell me if you would trust the Muslim Palestinians.

How about the Oslo Accords between Israel and the PLO. Why was that not acceptable in 1993 when Israel offered back most of the Gaza district and parts of the West Bank to Arafat and the Palestinians for the acknowledgement of Israel and the end to terrorism? Did terrorism end when the Palestinians and the Jews agreed to it? How about the amendments to the PLO charter committed to first in 1993 in the Oslo Accords, then repeatedly in May 1994 in the Cairo agreement, again in the September 1995 Oslo 2 accords, and yet again in January 1997 in the Hebron Accord. Did the PLO formally repeal at any time the following articles in regard to Israel as a nation?

Article 19: The partition of Palestine in 1947 and the establishment of the state of Israel are entirely illegal, regardless of the passage of time, because they were contrary to the will of the Palestinian people and to their natural right in their homeland, and inconsistent with the principles embodied in the Charter of the United Nations, particularly the right to self-determination.

Article 20: The Balfour Declaration, the Mandate for Palestine, and everything that has been based upon them, are deemed null and void. Claims of historical or religious ties of Jews with Palestine are incompatible with the facts of history and the true conception of what constitutes statehood. Judaism, being a religion, is not an independent nationality. Nor do Jews constitute a single nation with an identity of its own; they are citizens of the states to which they belong.

Article 21: The Arab Palestinian people, expressing themselves by the armed Palestinian revolution, reject all solutions which are substitutes for the total liberation of Palestine and reject all proposals aiming at the liquidation of the Palestinian problem, or its internationalization.

Article 22: Zionism is a political movement organically associated with international imperialism and antagonistic to all action for liberation and to progressive movements in the world. It is racist and fanatic in its nature, aggressive, expansionist, and colonial in its aims, and fascist in its methods. Israel is the instrument of the Zionist movement, and geographical base for world imperialism placed strategically in the midst of the Arab homeland to combat the hopes of the Arab nation for liberation, unity, and progress. Israel is a constant source of threat vis-a-vis peace in the Middle East and the whole world. Since the liberation of Palestine will destroy the Zionist and imperialist presence and will contribute to the establishment of peace in the Middle East, the Palestinian people look for the support of all the progressive and peaceful forces and urge them all, irrespective of their affiliations and beliefs, to offer the Palestinian people all aid and support in their just struggle for the liberation of their homeland.

Do you realize Palestine in 1947 is not defined to what people think of Palestine today? Do you realize that when they say they want to reclaim Palestine back, they means the total destruction and reclamation of Israel, not just some occupied territories?

Go ahead, believe the Palestinian Muslims. Trust them! And look to Britain as an modern day example of what trusting them gets you verses trusting Israel, never mind looking at the masses throughout history, massacred because of their trust with the Muslims.

Go ahead, believe them! And if they lie, say they would acknowledge Israel as a nation for land, and the first suicide bombing or terrorist activity takes place afterward, which it definitely will, will you still believe them?

And as I said, "my personal opinion is that it will not work, evidenced by the Muslims NEVER wanting to recognize Israel as a nation" stands! You believing the very recent lip service is what you are using to disprove my opinion, that the Muslim Palestinians will acknowledge Israel. This belief will prove you wrong (if an agreement is ever made), as evidenced by all of Muslim history, and many who believed them in the past. They might say it, but what actions are they going to take to back it up? Which ones have they taken so far? Are we to trust them based on their Oslo Accord actions?

And one more thing, they will use suicide bombing to accomplish their goals? Great and trustworthy people, ones who should be believed....

Oh, my trusting Muslim friend, with mention of only a few horrendous terrorist Muslim actions (on this web page), are these Muslim terrorist acts things you use as basis to trust them?

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(*** Please ignore the non-Muslim terrorist acts on this list. Many are the responsibility of the Muslims and Palestinians (PLO) and I did not feel like weeding out the ones that are not! ***)

God Bless,
IGIT



To: Thomas M. who wrote (1851)6/18/2002 10:35:54 AM
From: lorne  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 2926
 
Black September and the Back September Terror Movement
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