To: ChinuSFO who wrote (12267 ) 6/18/2002 9:15:09 AM From: Bread Upon The Water Respond to of 12475 This is a very execellent commentary, and I do not have time right now to respond to all of its points so grant me some time to come back to it later in more detail to support my arguments. IN the meantime let me say: 1. Nehru, although approving the taking of Kashmir, did so very reluctantly and later had second thoughts on the wisdom of it after it resulted in the 1948 war. 2. Ghandi, to my knowledge never supported it, but if you have solid information to that fact I will yield the point to you. 3. It is one thing to go to a Nation's (States?) assistance to preserve its independence (vis-a-vis US Kuwait) and entirely another to stay there occuppy it and govern it like India did with Kashmir. India is using the pretext of wresting Kashmir from the "evil" Pakistani's to justify its incorporation of Kashmir into a peace loving "democracy". Yeah, right. 4. Not all Freedom fighters are pacifists. Just ask the Viet Cong who triumphed in a war of "National Liberation" against the greatest military power on earth. This truly was a nation building epic in a struggle that had commenced over 40 years agaisnt the French, Japanese, then again the French, and then the US. 5. IMHO, Pakistan and India MUST MUST MUST address their convulted history and murderous rage at each other and come to terms with it. To do as you suggest (freeze the status quo), will not solve anything in the long run and just drive the conflict deeper underground. Additionally, any solution must involve some acknowledgement of the Kashmirians desire for autonomy. Your desire to have the parties to "move on" does nothing to address the grievances of Pakistan in this matter and until such grievances are given a legtimate airing by India, instead of it playing the role of a righteous saviour, nothing will be solved.