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To: mishedlo who wrote (173672)	6/19/2002 10:33:23 AM
From: reaper	Respond to of 436258

<<Ellison is the biggest liar of the bunch IMO. Going back a couple of years, he sold stock EVERY SINGLE DAY in January, all the while proclaiminh things were fine.>> And this makes him different from the rest of corporate America in what way??? Ellison and the rest of Oracle management have built an excellent (though very aggressive) and REAL company which produces actual products that customers use and generates $ billions of FREE cash flow every year. The CROOKS are people like Kozlowski, Gerstner, Dunlap, Nacchio, Armstrong, Carley, Chambers, Skilling et al who built not companies but houses of cards premised on acquisitions, debt, and accounting tricks. Plus, we were talking about the legitimacy or lack thereof of the Oracle numbers produced for the quarter. And that largely falls on Jeff Henley, not Ellison. Henley is too strong a guy to get pushed around by Ellison and is beyond reproach, IMO. The numbers are fine. We can argue until the cows come home about whether or not Ellison is a jackass (I happen to think he is) and whether or not Oracle stock is over-valued (I happen to think it is), but that is seperate from whether Oracle is an excellent company and the innuendos that their numbers and/or their people are somehow crooked (which they are not). Cheers